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yfinn6	C.C. Sabathia to Milwaukee Rumor		Lead	[-]
Posts: 196 07/04/08 9:47 AM	I'm not sure how many of you Brewer fans have been paying attention to the C.C. Sabathia rumors that are in full swing on Brewerfan, but the latest word is that the Brewers have offered LaPorta and Alcides Escobar for C.C.. Personally I think that's a little steep, I'd be comfortable parting with LaPorta but Escobar is a bit much as I think he's JJ's replacement in the future. I might be willing to see Escobar go if the Indians tossed in an above average reliever. I do think that CC would help if this were a year to make a run at the playoffs. Sheets is likely gone after the season, and the Crew could potentially pick up 4 comp. picks with the departure of both CC and Sheets. I know the Brewers still have ground to make up over the Cubs and Cards but with the addition of another ace the playoffs could be a real possibility. Now about that bullpen... Here's a link with Ken Rosenthal talking about the rumors. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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WiscoHulk		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1382 07/04/08 10:06 AM Spazzzz!	I've also read that the Crew might make Hardy or Weeks available too. As for the LaPorta rumor... I don't think it's for sure that they offered BOTH LaPorta and Escobar in the same package. Speculation is such that the Crew might feel that's a bit steep. We'll see though. I still think the most interesting part about this is whether CC will re-sign with the team he is traded too. If he goes to the Crew, does that mean the Crew believes they will re-sign him? If they do sign CC, does that mean Sheets is definitely a FA at the end of the season? I know one thing, if all the stars aligned and the Crew had Sheets, CC and Gallardo... that would be one of the best rotations I have ever seen. Not sure how likely that is, if at all. But it's nutty to even think about.
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yfinn6		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 197 07/04/08 10:09 AM	I don't think the intention would be to resign CC, I would think both he and Sheets would test the market and would get fat deals from teams that could afford the risk that goes with signing pitchers with some health issues in the past. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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groovysparks		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 27 07/04/08 10:14 AM	It appears that the Brewers are willing to give up LaPorta. Here's the latest from Tom Haudricourt at JSonline.com Notes that I found most interesting... * Haudricourt says that he has it on good authority that the Brewers would "NEVER" offer Escobar and LaPorta for Sabathia. * If Sabathia preforms well and he likes it in Milwaukee, then the Brewers would be willing to sign him to a long term deal. If he doesn't sign, the Brewers will receive 2 draft picks. It looks like it could happen really soon
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4thngoal		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1197 07/04/08 10:19 AM Denis Lemieux	If it's going to heappen, it may as well happen real soon. Get as many starts out of CC as you can. Reggie Dunlop: What are you guys doing? Jeff Hanson: Puttin' on the foil! Steve Hanson: Every game! Jack Hanson: Yeah, you want some?
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burbankbadger		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1243 07/04/08 10:35 AM	Watch for Green from A-ball to be included in the deal as well. He was the minor league player of the year for the Brewers last year and plays third base. If Gamel sticks at third, there's not room for both guys so he would make sense in the deal. __________________ "See life through the front windshield and not the rearview mirror" --Brett Favre 3/6/08
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gobbz		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1917 07/04/08 10:40 AM Ron Santo's Legs	I really hppe the Brewers dont get CC and the Cubs do. Another rumor I heard was the Blue Jays want a SS for AJ Burnett. 2007 NL Central Champion Chicago Cubs 2008 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs 2009 NCAA Men's Basketball Champion Syracuse Orange
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yfinn6		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 198 07/04/08 10:45 AM	gobbz wrote: I really hppe the Brewers dont get CC and the Cubs do. Another rumor I heard was the Blue Jays want a SS for AJ Burnett. I read that too, I think on Northsidebaseball. Hardy for Burnett? I believe that Burnett is either under contract for 2009, or has a player option. There was some talk about his contract on Brewerfan but I'm not sure anyone had a definite answer. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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4thngoal		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1198 07/04/08 11:25 AM Denis Lemieux	After watching Toronto up there, a SS is just one of their worries. They're trotting out Matt Stairs and Kevin Mench on a regular basis. Even that's worse than Eckstein playing SS. If there were a way to pry Eckstein as well to use as a utility player for the stretch, that would be a pretty good deal. Reggie Dunlop: What are you guys doing? Jeff Hanson: Puttin' on the foil! Steve Hanson: Every game! Jack Hanson: Yeah, you want some?
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81577squared		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1130 07/04/08 12:23 PM Bill Cofield	I hope Haudricourts' "good authority" is accurate. Escobar & LaPorta IS too much, and I don't think it's necessary. I also have heard about Green. Apparently the Tribe recently sent a scout to Brevard to see him. I can imagine Melvin trying to get some sort of guarantee past this year from Sabathia before dealing, but that's obviously easier said than done. Just a wild stab, but if LaPorta gets dealt, I could see Gamel playing first base if/when Fielder leaves with Hardy at third & Escobar at SS.
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BuckSixty		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2594 07/04/08 12:50 PM Ambassador	81577squared wrote: I can imagine Melvin trying to get some sort of guarantee past this year from Sabathia before dealing, but that's obviously easier said than done. That's a dicey scenario, because until there is a deal in place, any negotiating would be considered tampering. Once they have a framework of a deal, the commissioner's office can grant a 72-hour negotiating window for them to talk about a possible extension. I'm sure they're always working back-channel stuff, but if anything gets out, the Brewers could find themselves in some hot water.
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81577squared		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1131 07/04/08 12:57 PM Bill Cofield	BuckSixty wrote: 81577squared wrote: I can imagine Melvin trying to get some sort of guarantee past this year from Sabathia before dealing, but that's obviously easier said than done. That's a dicey scenario, because until there is a deal in place, any negotiating would be considered tampering. Once they have a framework of a deal, the commissioner's office can grant a 72-hour negotiating window for them to talk about a possible extension. I'm sure they're always working back-channel stuff, but if anything gets out, the Brewers could find themselves in some hot water. I recall that happening in the past--a deal, then an extention announced as part of it. Must be the "window" you alluded to, Buck. Either way, while I'm sure Melvin would like to see something like that if they consummate the deal, I think it's pretty unlikely.
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HobeyBaker		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1328 07/04/08 1:18 PM	I really think LaPorta isn't going to be anything special. He just doesn't make enough contact. So, I would be OK with trading him for a rental of CC. However, I think offering LaPorta and Escobar is too steep of a price to pay for a rental. If the Brewers do get CC and both Sheet and him walk, then that would be 4 more picks and the farm system should be back to being one of the top 2-3 in baseball.
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yfinn6		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 200 07/04/08 1:37 PM	I like the idea of getting the 4 comp picks for Sheeter and CC (if traded) but my problem with letting them both walk is our rotation next year could be rough. Assuming Yo can come back from his injury and pitch like he was before he went out and Parra continue to develop into a good 2-3 type starter our rotation might be 'ok'. However, there isn't that true stopper that Sheets usually is when he's healthy. I think Yo can be that guy eventually but counting on him to be that next year after not pitching for almost a long time might be too much to ask. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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CportBadger		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 464 07/04/08 1:37 PM	I think LaPorta is going to be a right handed Adam Dunn. He will never hit for great average, but can draw walks and hit for serious power. I would like to see him as a Brewer, but you have to give to get, and with Sheets likely gone next year, this is the time to make a run.
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yfinn6		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 201 07/04/08 1:42 PM	LaPorta has a fairly decent average at AA. LaPorta woud be fine as an Adam Dunn type player in the middle of a lineup full of high OBP guys IMO. Strikeouts do suck when there are runners on and less than 2 outs, but otherwise they don't bother me as much. A high RBI and OBP guy like Dunn is valuable, however his defense is crap. On a side note, it seems that - besides Escobar - the Brewers have a lot of good hitters in their system but not many top tier defenders. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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CportBadger		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 465 07/04/08 2:24 PM	From another board: Here is your official fresh news update from our friend Buster Olney during an in-inning conversation during the Yankees-Red Sox game on ESPN radio. Olney said the Indians are pushing hard for either Escobar or JJ Hardy in a deal. (why when they have Peralta?) but the Brewers are likely not to bite unless the Indians were willing to give up a fading prospect Andy Marte. The current offer is CC Sabathia for OF Matt LaPorta, IF Taylor Green, and RHP John Axford which the Indians are balking at. On a real exciting side note: Olney said regardless of what happens with CC Sabathia the Brewers are likely to get Greg Maddux, possibly before the allstar break. Had no names but I am sure it isn't for much more then maybe Gywnn and a lower level pitcher.
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yfinn6		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 202 07/04/08 2:31 PM	That's a perfectly good offer for CC, they should keep pushing that offer because it's the best that Cleveland will get unless some other team sells their entire farm system for him. "That ain't Chuckie's game. Chuckie hacks on 2-and-0."
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HobeyBaker		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1329 07/04/08 2:31 PM	Am I the only one who doesn't want Greg Maddux? Sure, he could help out Parra and some of the other younger arms, but he only goes like 5-6 innings max. I really don't want Ned thinking about the bullpen anymore then he has to. edit: I like that offer, but any more starts by CC and I would drop Green from the offer. I don't want to see Escobar or Gamel included in any deal.
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CportBadger		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 466 07/04/08 3:27 PM	I'm lukewarm on Maddux, and actually like him more if we get CC. If CC and Maddux are acquired before the break, you are looking at a rotation of Sheets, Sabathia, Parra, Suppan, and Maddux. I think Bush would be sent back down to keep him stretched out in case of injury, and then you would have McClung as a solid reliever who might be able to fill in the 7th or 8th inning. If Escobar is added to the deal, then the Brewers would get a reliever back like Perez or Kobayashi, but I do think that deal is plenty. The Indians would get a good 3B who can also play 2B who is 20 in high A with an .833 OPS and a 23 year old who could play 1B or LF right now and has a .988 OPS in AA. That is much better than two draft picks and if the Indians wait too long they might miss out on this offer and end up getting less in return. I still think this deal gets done, with Green and LaPorta being the framework. Axford is a 25 year old in A ball, so if they bump that up to a guy who has a 10% chance of being a big leaguer, it might be enough.
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MontyFortyEight		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2220 07/04/08 5:12 PM The Head of Alfredo Garcia	Maddux replacing McClung in the rotation would be a downgrade. Why make that trade?
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