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WisVegas	Re: Class	#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 974 December 27, 2008 10:07 PM "After not having a club in my hands in 4 years, last weekend I played 18 at King Putt indoor miniature course in Henderson, Nevada. My game has never been better, I believe I shot 6 under. I was amazed at my level of focus, the gallery was loud due to a couple of on going birthdays parties."	Remove this ad I'm hoping my effort and intent to communicate concisely would not be view in a negative light. I do have respect and fear for those on this board who would earn the title grammar gods such as SaquaroBadger. I hope my apology is accepted and mitigates the severity of the punishment handed down by those gods. p.s. I working on not appearing as the dyslexic athlete with a high school gpa of 1.5, but as the once dyslexic college athlete with a BA degree and two equivalent AA degrees with a gpa of 3.4. No offense taken, mcguda thanks for the laughs Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. H. L. Mencken Edited 1 time by WisVegas December 27, 2008 10:50 PM.
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Tampabucky	Re: Strike Two	#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 102 December 27, 2008 10:07 PM	NYChez wrote: I've always felt that a new college coach gets three strikes, and close losses (like against Michigan State) don't count as a strike because being competitive against a decent team is a positive. Strike one was the embarrassment against Penn State. Strike two is today's 2nd half - which will be remembered by the national media for a long time (pretty much undoing any goodwill resulting from the exciting '99 Rose Bowl). If Bielema's team tanks again in a game in the first half of next season, then there will be a new head coach on the sidelines in 2010. Coaches that have a good handle on their players do not let their team just roll over on multiple occasions in one season. The fact that both meltdowns occurred in high profile games does not help. Why isn't the Michigan State loss or the Cal-Poly overtime win strike 2?
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Darth Nihlist	The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 29 December 27, 2008 10:11 PM	In all of the handwringing over the head coach, I think we are forgetting how abysmal the play calling has been at times. Classic example today..3rd and 2 at the FSU 35. Arguably two down territory. But that option is taken away by a sack. Why are we throwing on 2nd and 3rd downs after running the ball down their throats?? The cutesy lateral to Hill (of all people) also was devastating. By the way, this same play resulted in a fumble at Indiana too (recovered by Gilreath). It seems he pulls out random stuff instead of sticking to the game plan. I'm not sure this team has an offensive identity. If it's the running game, then Chryst certainly abandons it at odd times (see 2nd half of Michigan game). Next time another team comes calling for Chryst, let them have him.
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whirly711	Re: Class	#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6596 December 27, 2008 10:17 PM THE JETER	"not twhirls cheering on like he does with half the teams in the country," I AM THE JETER - Come and join my club
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Mad Birdman	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1200 December 27, 2008 10:25 PM	I actually was thinking this same thing. Can a coach have a bad year or a slump? We used to always be a step ahead of defenses and I'd always feel confident that if we didn't have a great first half of a game that PC would spin the dials and come up with a way to crack a defense. Plays like the TE screen would work and be called at just the right times. There have been too many times this year that I have been screaming at the play calling (3rd and short/4th and short, runs when there should have been passes, trying to outthink everyone bu missing the obvious) and I am losing faith a bit. We always have heard that he was the next coaching hire for someone, but maybe not so much now. To be fair, there have been some nice twists (i.e. the reverse action to Gilreath) this year. I think that PC's hands have been tied by the really limited play at QB.
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tomahawkBADGER	Re: Class	#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1726 December 27, 2008 10:30 PM	Why can't they just throw off the helmuts & fight???........pretend it's hockey....
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DCBadger7	Re: Strike Two	#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 December 27, 2008 10:31 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Tampabucky wrote: NYChez wrote: I've always felt that a new college coach gets three strikes, and close losses (like against Michigan State) don't count as a strike because being competitive against a decent team is a positive. Strike one was the embarrassment against Penn State. Strike two is today's 2nd half - which will be remembered by the national media for a long time (pretty much undoing any goodwill resulting from the exciting '99 Rose Bowl). If Bielema's team tanks again in a game in the first half of next season, then there will be a new head coach on the sidelines in 2010. Coaches that have a good handle on their players do not let their team just roll over on multiple occasions in one season. The fact that both meltdowns occurred in high profile games does not help. Why isn't the Michigan State loss or the Cal-Poly overtime win strike 2? Pretty hard to count a W as a strike against the guy, but your point is taken. To me, I don't care how great a coach is, if he doesn't get the kids to play well on the field, its all academic. Its amazing the difference it makes having consistent and serviceable QB play makes in the offense. The Badgers simply HAVE to do better at that position next year.
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mcguda	Mea culpa, vegas.	#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7699 December 27, 2008 10:35 PM C.O.F. elderly gangbanger	Today has made me a bit peevish...or to my close friend, an asshole.
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DCBadger7	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 December 27, 2008 10:36 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Mad Birdman wrote: I actually was thinking this same thing. Can a coach have a bad year or a slump? We used to always be a step ahead of defenses and I'd always feel confident that if we didn't have a great first half of a game that PC would spin the dials and come up with a way to crack a defense. Plays like the TE screen would work and be called at just the right times. There have been too many times this year that I have been screaming at the play calling (3rd and short/4th and short, runs when there should have been passes, trying to outthink everyone bu missing the obvious) and I am losing faith a bit. We always have heard that he was the next coaching hire for someone, but maybe not so much now. To be fair, there have been some nice twists (i.e. the reverse action to Gilreath) this year. I think that PC's hands have been tied by the really limited play at QB. I think bitching about the playcalling is a given when a team is losing more than its fans think it should. I also think Chryst isn't quite as good or as bad as he has been portrayed. To me, the lynch pin to all of this is the QB position - we simply have to get better play next season. Consistency AND serviceability are musts. DS had some of the latter, but not much of the former. I've said this before - I don't give a shit who the QB is as long as that player won the job by being a good QB and not simply because he was the lesser of two or three unsavory options. Edited 1 time by DCBadger7 December 27, 2008 10:47 PM.
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badgerwarhawk	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 105 December 27, 2008 10:42 PM	Remove this ad I agree with you. I was just randomly thinking about this..do you fire Paul Chryst and go in a different direction offensively? For every good play call that he has, he has a handful that leave me, and the rest of you apparently, scratching your heads. It seems that he tries to make us a finesse running team when we need to be a straight down hill power running team. As has been said by someone else, he takes all offensive identity that we could create and basically craps all over it and does stuff that don't fit what we can do in terms of personnel.
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BigAppleBucky	Re: Class	#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10775 December 27, 2008 10:46 PM	CportBadger wrote: Bielema is not a classy individual. Regardless of the circumstances, asking him to show class may be a bit of a stretch. His pig farmer backgound is showing. Needs to polish that up. Republicans apparently love government so much they're buying it.
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WisVegas	Re: Class	#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 974 December 27, 2008 10:49 PM "After not having a club in my hands in 4 years, last weekend I played 18 at King Putt indoor miniature course in Henderson, Nevada. My game has never been better, I believe I shot 6 under. I was amazed at my level of focus, the gallery was loud due to a couple of on going birthdays parties."	Hey mcguda, no mea culpa required. Just do what I and nearly anyone else does on this board and identify an individual(s) having direct contact or more important, direct control (real or not) on the team, to focus your aggression on, to vent any negative feelings a fan would have with the team's performance today. Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. H. L. Mencken
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firebrett2008	Re: Class	#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 60 December 27, 2008 10:51 PM " Barry shouldn't be AD"	Oh stop with the pussy mentality. We just got butt fucked on national tv (best line from Diehard) and you're worried whether it was classy or not? This is a bad year for UW sports unfortunately. Football was terrible. Preseason top 10 and we sucked ass. Basketball looks ok, but far from where they have been. But hey, at least the chick hoops team is doing ok. badgerman27 wrote: He has every right to be pissed about a team throwing the ball in the 4th qtr up 4 tds. Totally classless.
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MT24	Re: Class	#54	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6042 December 27, 2008 10:52 PM	I'm guessing throwing the ball up 36 was a big "fuck you" to BB for his stupid halftime comments about running the ball more in the second-half and playing "Wisconsin football and they aren't going to want any part of it". FSU says "eat this"- and does anyone really expect Bobby Bowden to start showing class after all these years?
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Tampabucky	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 102 December 27, 2008 10:52 PM	DCBadger7 wrote: Mad Birdman wrote: I actually was thinking this same thing. Can a coach have a bad year or a slump? We used to always be a step ahead of defenses and I'd always feel confident that if we didn't have a great first half of a game that PC would spin the dials and come up with a way to crack a defense. Plays like the TE screen would work and be called at just the right times. There have been too many times this year that I have been screaming at the play calling (3rd and short/4th and short, runs when there should have been passes, trying to outthink everyone bu missing the obvious) and I am losing faith a bit. We always have heard that he was the next coaching hire for someone, but maybe not so much now. To be fair, there have been some nice twists (i.e. the reverse action to Gilreath) this year. I think that PC's hands have been tied by the really limited play at QB. I think bitching about the playcalling is a given when a team is losing more than its fans think it should. I also think Chryst isn't quite as good or as bad as he has been portrayed. To me, the lynch pin to all of this is the QB position - we simply have to get better play next season. Consistency AND serviceability are musts. DS had some of the latter, but not much of the former. I've said this before - I don't give a shit who the QB is as long as that player won the job by being a good QB and not simply because he was the lesser of two or three unsavory options. Isn't Chryst the QB recruiter and QB coach? Ever since he was courted by Dallas, his play calling has been debatable.
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firebrett2008	Re: Class	#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 60 December 27, 2008 10:53 PM " Barry shouldn't be AD"	chedda108 wrote: badgerman27 wrote: He has every right to be pissed about a team throwing the ball in the 4th qtr up 4 tds. Totally classless. as it was mentioned in the Badgerchat, that's what Bobby Bowden & FSU does. Today I realized again why I hate that program.....throwing the ball up by a ton and then the personal fouls and the excessive celebration. Typical FSU. I hope that program never gets back to where it was (and I'm a bit biased since my sister lives in Gainesville so I feel I should cheer for them a little bit, not twhirls cheering on like he does with half the teams in the country, but you know, hope they do well). Yeah, what a terrible program. If only we had a Rhodes Scholar on our squad that was also our best player. Stop the whining. It's terrible. Our team sucks and was on display for all to see. And this is only the start. Wait until SC destroys PSU in a few days. It's not going to be pretty in the bowl season again. Fire Bret!
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DCBadger7	Re: Is he just Dumb?	#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 December 27, 2008 10:55 PM Blissfully Disinterested	We got beat, plain and simple. But the officiating today was shockingly poor. Officials were calling shit that wasn't happening and not calling stuff that was. The roughing call, the Valai fumble (how the fuck was that ruled a fumble in the first place???)...no penalties on the Badgers on the first half? Seriously, NONE at all? Meanwhile, apparently NO offensive holding occurred at all in the entire game. Lots of questionable spots (on both sides).
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Why 2 Badger	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3295 December 27, 2008 10:57 PM You mess with the bull, you get the horns	Although I have dissagreed with a number of play calls...like passing on second down to end the first half today. Chryst does simply does not have the athletes to get too creative. As the old saying goes "You can't have a circus with out animals"
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DCBadger7	Re: The Bloom is off the Chryst rose	#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 December 27, 2008 10:59 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Yes, he is. But just like everyone else on this staff, Chryst has looked better when he had players recruited by the last regime. As more and more of BB's recruits have arrived in Madison, the level of play has dropped off. I think Chryst knows X's and O's, but like others on the staff, I'm not certain of how consistent a judge of talent he is.
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chedda108	Re: Class	#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1809 December 27, 2008 11:20 PM Jack Tripper	Remove this ad whirly711 wrote: "not twhirls cheering on like he does with half the teams in the country," whirls, it was all in jest my good friend....perhaps I should have put a , next to it. We only kid ya since we love ya dude.....now umm, F the Yankees!
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