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Posts: 1861 August 11, 2011 12:13 PM	Remove this ad ricecloud9 wrote: Details on the Longhorn Network contract, which is really what's pushing this potential shake up. I know that it's not launch time yet for the Longhorn Network, but as of today, no cable or dish provider has pick up the channel. I imagine that somebody in Texas will in time for the one game they will have on there (Sept 3rd blow out of Rice), but still a humorous slant to the story right now. Michael Most carriers are picking it up. Your Text Signature ...
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Ol Badger		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 12:24 PM On hiatus	Badger inohiovalley wrote: We need that in Washington! (Sorry for the political statement).
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Blab of Bacon		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 August 11, 2011 12:29 PM Beware the milkman!	First, the Big Ten should go to a 10-game conference schedule and make sure than Notre Dame hears the news. That would limit Notre Dame's ability to schedule three Big Ten teams and could be the last straw in their efforsts to refrain from joining. Then we invite Pitt and Mizzou to join, but "accidentally" send Mizzou's invite to Notre Dame. Notre Dame decides to join. Notre Dame and Pitt are placed in the Leaders division (renamed the East). Wisconsin is moved to the Legends division (renamed the West). Big Ten football becomes more awesome.
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Ol Badger		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 12:34 PM On hiatus	Saint Bucky wrote: Iafter Bucky-Goofy, this is the longest rivalry in CFB Most-played rivalries: Wisconsin-Minnesota - 120 Kansas-Missouri - 119 Kansas-Nebraska - 117 (ended last year, however) Texas-Texas A&M - 117 Most consecutive seasons: Kansas-Nebraska (1906-2010) Wisconsin-Minnesota (1907-) Clemson-South Carolina (1909-) Kansas-Kansas State (1911-) Kansas-Oklahoma (1903-97) Wake Forest-NC State (1910-2005) Texas-Texas A&M (1915-)
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Ol Badger		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 12:47 PM On hiatus	Lots of links from ESPN's Big 12 blog: Texas A&M to the SEC feels inevitable for Jon Solomon of the Birmingham News. The Oklahoman's Jenni Carlson says a move to the SEC for the Aggies doesn't make sense. Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News weighs in on what he thinks Rick Perry's comments mean for the future of the Big 12. Here's my take on the Aggies to the SEC rumors. Jerome Solomon of the Houston Chronicle gives his take on the Aggies possible move to the SEC. The breakup of the Big 12 would affect every edge of college sports, writes Jen Engel of FoxSports.com.
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Ol Badger		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 1:12 PM On hiatus	As to the LHN-ESPN contract: Let’s be clear. Aggies wholeheartedly believe Texas plans to air high school games as well as Big 12 games on the LHN. And they're probably right. And now, thanks to the power of the Freedom of Information Act, Aggies now have proof of every one of their fears. The devil is in the contract details, which clearly state “the parties acknowledge their mutual desire that the Network telecast no less than two (2) such regular season games per college football season.” It also details how the University of Texas will help land Texas state high school championship games for the network, and how Texas cannot be on a Big 12 channel in any way, and how they are contractually wedded even when/if the Big 12 implodes. And then there is the money — straight cash, homey — that allows the Longhorns to keep 70 percent of profits once $275 million has been breached. link People who think Texas is not laying the groundwork for going independent are in denial. The Big 12 was premised on a 5-year commitment; Texas already has a longer commitment to ESPN. As the columnist says: "What I cannot quite fathom is how anybody believes the Big 12 can be viable long term with this in place. It is dead." When the conferences took over from the NCAA the negotiation of tv contracts it was only a matter of time before independents were forced to join conferences. Ironically, the spread of cable sports networks now allows individual schools to write their own contracts, something only Notre Dame was able to do in the past. In the last year BYU has shown the feasibility of independence, at least for some schools. If Texas winds up as an independent, and its LHN is successful, there may be others exploring those options, too. In the meantime, the break-up of the Big XII would/will have major ripple effects. Edited 1 time by Ol Badger August 11, 2011 1:31 PM.
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DCBadger7		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10468 August 11, 2011 2:29 PM Blissfully Disinterested	My question is this: is it really a sure bet that ESPN will recoup its initial investment, allowing the 70% of profits to UT proviso to kick in?? When the deal was first announced, I wondered how ESPN could possibly make money on this in the long run...this before it became clear ESPN was going to have to offer outright cash inducements to other Big 12 schools to get them to agree to allow their game with UT to be televised on LHN. It has been reported ESPN offered Texas Tech $5M straight up for the rights to the TT/UT game in 2011. TT turned it down. I'm sure other Big 12 schools will have their price, but you have to think the floor has been set at $5M. So if ESPN has to shell out an additional $10M or more EACH YEAR to provide 2 Big 12 conference games on top of what they've got to pay Texas per the deal (~$11M/year), it just strikes me as a big assumption that this deal will pay off for ESPN in the end. Will cable/satellite revenues in the state of Texas be enough of a revenue stream to support the deal?
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badgergirl01		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1735 August 11, 2011 3:46 PM	The NCAA has ruled that school/conference networks can't air high school games: http://www.cbssports.com/...s/entry/6270202/31261826 Now the muddy part comes in what kind of network is the Longhorn Network? Texas doesn't have equity in the network; it's owned by ESPN, unlike BTN, which is partly owned by the schools. And now that A&M got its way, will it stay in the Big 12?
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CCBadger		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5132 August 11, 2011 3:59 PM	badgergirl01 wrote: And now that A&M got its way, will it stay in the Big 12? I don't think that is the end of the reasons they're not happy with the Big12 or Texas and their TV deal. Indicative of the problems with the Big12 but not the end of the problems. "There's something beautiful, so pure about Wisconsin beating the snot out of teams by running the ball down their throats" - Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
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Myles Long		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15766 August 11, 2011 4:01 PM	Remove this ad Blab of Bacon wrote: First, the Big Ten should go to a 10-game conference schedule and make sure than Notre Dame hears the news. That would limit Notre Dame's ability to schedule three Big Ten teams and could be the last straw in their efforsts to refrain from joining. Then we invite Pitt and Mizzou to join, but "accidentally" send Mizzou's invite to Notre Dame. Notre Dame decides to join. Notre Dame and Pitt are placed in the Leaders division (renamed the East). Wisconsin is moved to the Legends division (renamed the West). Big Ten football becomes more awesome. 100 proof (and quite doable) Your Text Signature ...
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Ol Badger		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 4:02 PM On hiatus	badgergirl01 wrote: And now that A&M got its way, will it stay in the Big 12? I doubt it, at least in the longer run. The TLN also has plans to televise two Big XII conference games a year, which really rankles other members. A moderator of the Scout A&M site, who claims to be an "insider", posted yesterday that an announcement would be coming by September 1, and that it was part of a bigger deal. Take that for what it's worth as a message board comment, of course.
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DCBadger7		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10468 August 11, 2011 4:23 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Ol Badger wrote: I doubt it, at least in the longer run. The TLN also has plans to televise two Big XII conference games a year, which really rankles other members. The LHN/ESPN may have those plans, but they've got to find schools willing to sign over the broadcast rights to make it happen. As I noted a prior post just above, Texas Tech turned down a $5M offer from ESPN for Tech/UT game in 2011. The other Big 12 schools might not be willing to turn down that kind of scratch, but how sustainable is it for ESPN to pay an extra $10M a year for 2 ho-hum games featuring Texas and Big 12 also rans? But what if other schools follow Tech's example? All of a sudden ESPN is paying $300M over 20 years for at best 3 football games annually, with no high school football. Programming becomes a real issue, it seems. Or rather, programming that will attract the advertising dollars necessary to keep this venture afloat might become a real issue.
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CCBadger		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5132 August 11, 2011 4:27 PM	DCBadger7 wrote: All of a sudden ESPN is paying $300M over 20 years for at best 3 football games annually, with no high school football. Programming becomes a real issue, it seems. Or rather, programming that will attract the advertising dollars necessary to keep this venture afloat might become a real issue. To follow up on that, Texas is less than excited about helping ESPN/TLN with programming: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-texas-longhornnetwork "There's something beautiful, so pure about Wisconsin beating the snot out of teams by running the ball down their throats" - Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
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1225 Mound St		#54	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1938 August 11, 2011 4:48 PM I do enjoy singing "She's a Lady" to my cat.	DCBadger7 wrote: All of a sudden ESPN is paying $300M over 20 years for at best 3 football games annually, with no high school football. Programming becomes a real issue, it seems. Or rather, programming that will attract the advertising dollars necessary to keep this venture afloat might become a real issue. Don't forget about carriage fees. Even if LHN is only able to garner $.50/month, that's $6.00/year times a ton of subscribers.
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Ol Badger		#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 5:50 PM On hiatus	DCBadger7 wrote: The LHN/ESPN may have those plans, but they've got to find schools willing to sign over the broadcast rights to make it happen. Which is in no way inconsistent with the fact that that provision of the contract "rankles" (my word" other Big XII members. Whether it happens is almost beside the point. Imagine the reaction among Big Ten schools if they discovered that OSU had signed a contract with Fox for a separate network and agreed to help get some conference games moved there.
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badgergirl01		#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1735 August 11, 2011 7:45 PM	I don't know how credible it is, but the Texas A&M Rivals site is reporting that it's all but a done deal, and the regents will vote on Aug. 22 to go to the SEC.
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Tennesseebadger		#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2561 August 11, 2011 8:42 PM	A one day debate on the board settled. BOOM. From the A&M Rivals site "by Tarp at 8/11 5:47 PM I just got off the phone with someone on campus who I had been trying to talk to over the last few days because he's very well connected. Unlike a lot of things we had heard over the past few days which might have contradicted something else we heard or came from outside the university itself, his stuff comes from the highest levels and it's like God handing Moses the Ten Commandments. A&M's going to the SEC. This is what was said: When the LHN was announced last fall, A&M officials took a long hard look at the economics of the deal and decided that they couldn't compete with Texas unless they did something different. They have been in discussions with SEC officials since that time. The person he talked to said that all future alignment discussions would be based on economics and that A&M was ahead of the curve in this regard. On August 22, the A&M BOR will make it official. It doesn't matter what the NCAA decided today regarding the LHN or if the Big 12 has any further meetings or whatever penalties are assessed by the Big 12 for A&M leaving the conference. There's nothing that can be done at this point to stop this. The BOR has determined that A&M's future lies in the SEC and away from Texas and will ratify this officially. He was told that although Rick Perry will be in Birmingham and South Carolina this weekend, he has nothing to do with it. He was also told that he didn't have anything to do with the events of last summer. The timing of Perry's trip to the south has to do with his announcement that he is running for president which will be made Saturday on the same day that the Iowa straw polls are being done. I apologize for not having much prior to this but this is the conversation that I waiting to have because there has been no better source on A&M over the years and because this comes directly from the highest levels. Prior to that, I wanted to be cautious but there's no need to be cautious at this point. It's over."
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Ol Badger		#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 11, 2011 10:31 PM On hiatus	Thanks, Tenn. Over on the Scout A&M board they're already treating this as a fait acompli, and speculating about which other school is most likely to jump with them. For the record, WVU is the runaway winner, with Missouri a very distant second (!), followed closely by VA Tech, then Oklahoma. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=187&f=2639&t=7759597&p=1&vp=74018&vr=0 Meanwhile, in some parallel universe, Texas fans are not discussing this. Instead, they're focused on getting Notre Dame into a 2-team conference (???), or possibly the Big XII: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=110&f=2440&t=7762584 Edited 2 times by Ol Badger August 12, 2011 9:45 AM.
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DCBadger7		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10468 August 12, 2011 8:28 AM Blissfully Disinterested	I'm not saying I don't believe these insider reports that A&M is going to the SEC, because the arguments made in the TN's post make lots of sense. And there's an AWFUL lot of smoke now on the issue. I would remind folks we saw similar types of insider reports last summer indicating Texas & Co to the Pac 10 was a done deal. My point is simply that as legitimate as these reports seem, there still is at least the chance they are not correct, or that something could change to alter the outcome. That said, if it's indeed true, it will be interesting to see what other dominoes fall - in the near term, mid-term and long term. How will other conferences - especialy the Big 10 - react? Unfortunately, it appears some of this drama will unfold during the season, which would prove to be a major distraction.
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blockski		#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9563 August 12, 2011 8:39 AM	Remove this ad DCBadger7 wrote: I'm not saying I don't believe these insider reports that A&M is going to the SEC, because the arguments made in the TN's post make lots of sense. And there's an AWFUL lot of smoke now on the issue. I would remind folks we saw similar types of insider reports last summer indicating Texas & Co to the Pac 10 was a done deal. My point is simply that as legitimate as these reports seem, there still is at least the chance they are not correct, or that something could change to alter the outcome. That said, if it's indeed true, it will be interesting to see what other dominoes fall - in the near term, mid-term and long term. How will other conferences - especialy the Big 10 - react? Unfortunately, it appears some of this drama will unfold during the season, which would prove to be a major distraction. Right - I'm waiting to see something on this from a real source, as opposed to the rumormill sites.
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