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Tennesseebadger		#101	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2561 August 13, 2011 11:35 AM	Remove this ad badgergirl01 wrote: FSU or Clemson I could see. Missouri? The SEC would do better to get Virginia Tech or Oklahoma. As crazy as it sounds, I think A&M could actually do well in the SEC, long-term. The Aggies sit in the middle of some of the best recruiting grounds in the country. Think about it. They can tell kids, come play in the best football conferece. You'll be playing Florida, Alabama, LSU. That's gotta be an attractive sell to recruits. Meanwhile A&M can also stick it to Texas a bit by opening up those Texas recruiting grounds to the SEC programs. And after awhile, maybe recruiting for the Longhorns involves more than just cherry-picking the top in-state players. I don't think it sounds crazy at all. As you point out, they are the SEC school in one of the 3 biggest recruiting states in the country. Texas has some tough choices to make now. If they go indeppendent, they could be the next Notre Dame. If they stay in the "Big12", the conference could become the next SWC as schools like Mizzu are picked off and replaced by Rice, SMU and every other Texas program with a 40,000 seat stadium.Furthermore, A&M is a great cultural fit for the SEC with all its game day traditions. They will do very well in time.
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CportBadger		#102	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3944 August 13, 2011 11:37 AM	I think Texas would look west and end up with Oklahoma, Ok St, and Tech in a Pac 16.
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Strange Brew eh		#103	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5944 August 13, 2011 11:42 AM	Clemson and FSU make sense from an SEC standpoint academically. I can understand Mizzou as the SEC see value in Okie but not Okie State. I disagree with Cport on letting the ACC take the BigEast teams. That means we would be taking K-State and Iowa State. No thanks. If the SEC takes 2 (clemson and FSU) from the ACC and puts them at 10 what do we do? Possible options in the BigEast that fit academically and athletically. Pitt Rutgers Possible Options from the ACC Miami UNC NC State Duke UVA VA Tech Maryland Boston College Georgia Tech Eliminated from consideration as its not Duke- Wake (nice school but no national recognition even though it has a good history) You think a move of North Carolina, Boston College and UVA plus one other be a nice addition?
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badgergirl01		#104	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1734 August 13, 2011 11:45 AM	FWIW, Jim Delany said this in the Chicago Tribune today: Delany also told the Tribune that any SEC expansion – the conference is reportedly interested in adding Texas A&M and perhaps Clemson, Florida State and Missouri – would not affect the Big Ten. “No, we’re about as comfortable as we can be with where we are,” Delany said. “We’ve said we will continue to monitor the landscape, but we have closed down active expansion. Every period you look at it, but we don’t expect anything the SEC does to affect us.” http://www.chicagotribune...20110813,0,1664625.story
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el agro		#105	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1433 August 13, 2011 11:48 AM	If I were any team left in the Big12 that is not Texas, I would be really really pissed. OK, OK St., TX-Tech are all going to have to scramble now. I like the Southern Option being discussed. Taking a few southern schools might help the B1G baseball programs and make early season scheduling easier.
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Ol Badger		#106	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 13, 2011 11:49 AM On hiatus	Strange Brew eh wrote: You think a move of North Carolina, Boston College and UVA plus one other be a nice addition? UNC is like Texas lite--they want to run the ACC. I'm not sure the B1G is a place they'd like to land because they would be much less powerful. And football continues to play second fiddle to basketball there. BC is ND lite, though it does give the B1G a presence in the New England tv market. Otherwise, it's not a great fit for the conference. UVA would be a nice academic addition (as would UNC), but what else do they bring? If paired with Maryland, perhaps a strong conference presence in the DC market--good for the BTN. These ARE the good old days!
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CportBadger		#107	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3944 August 13, 2011 11:55 AM	If the Big Ten were to add 4 and ND was off the table, I'd rather do Mizzou, BC, Maryland, and a Virginia school before calling any Big East school. I'd probably call GT too.
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Strange Brew eh		#108	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5944 August 13, 2011 11:58 AM	CportBadger wrote: I think Texas would look west and end up with Oklahoma, Ok St, and Tech in a Pac 16. I think Texas would do a lot to not be lumped in with inferior teams such as Okie State and Tech. . If A&M goes Texas needs to stay #1 if football over aTm. That will drive their thought process and will drive them to one of three choices: Pac-16, Big10 or Independent. Staying in the Big12 and the Longhorn TV channel doesn't do it. To them the Pac-16 doesn't work. Texas has to know that from a recruiting standpoint in Texas that the Pac-12 would be viewed as a lesser league and step down vs the SEC as the Pacific Time zone becomes a negative for viewing Texas players. They already have data to prove this from the Texas Rangers playing in the AL West, and is the reason that the Rangers are begging MLB to move Houston to the AL West to give them a little better TV schedule away from 9:00pm start times. The BigTen is better but with no teams very nearby it makes it hard. Even adding Missou which would help them still would keep them as #2 in the state for recruiting as parents will want to travel to see the games. A package deal with Texas, Mizzou, and two of OU, Ttech, Baylor (no chance) OSU, KU would help but their arrogance will not let this happen as they would not be incharge as they would be seen as weak and needing those other schools and not the other way around. Adding them alone would be bad for their baseball team. Simply put, their arrogance will not let this happen right away. That leaves them the option as an independent. They call sell a National Schedule to alumni and fans alike. Based on their arrogance this is the only move that makes sense to them. An agreement with NotreDame to have a NotreDame, Texas TV station with a 50/50 split would be huge. They could force it on cable networks around the country and keep their independence. Notre Dames contract with NBC is up in 2 years I believe. The rumor is not a two team conference but a two team TV station. Independent of a league their home games would be on their station with at least one game every Saturday as they probably would not be able to get road TV rights. Add in historical programing and you have something like the YES (Yankees) network with lots of history and old games. They could fill out a schedule by carrying some other lesser league games where they don't compete with recruits (Conference USA, MAC, or even the BigEast)
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Ol Badger		#109	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 August 13, 2011 12:02 PM On hiatus	Strange Brew eh wrote: An agreement with NotreDame to have a NotreDame, Texas TV station with a 50/50 split would be huge. Army and Navy have cooperated to establish a commont tv contract and bowl tie-ins as a precedent for ND-UT cooperation, except that the latter would be a much bigger, richer deal. These ARE the good old days!
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nbajam		#110	[url]	[-]
Posts: 78 August 13, 2011 12:03 PM	Remove this ad If the SEC is considering Mizzou, the Big 10 has to be proactive. Letting that conference infringe on what is essentially our territory would be a very bad thing. Mizzou was passed up last year, primarily because Nebraska sold themselves, and Nebraska is without question a much better addition. But things change, obviously. Mizzou is probably the last former Big 12 school that would work in the Big 10 so any other expansion would come out east.
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PimFortuynsGhost		#111	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2260 August 13, 2011 12:05 PM Wheat Kings have all their treasures buried...	CportBadger wrote: If the Big Ten were to add 4 and ND was off the table, I'd rather do Mizzou, BC, Maryland, and a Virginia school before calling any Big East school. I'd probably call GT too. The only qualm I have with this is if it comes to expansion, I wouldn't mind seeing Pitt in the B1G. I would love UNC as well, but OB provides a pretty good rationale for "why not," Those three ACC schools you listed (or four w/ GaTech) would all be good fits and would increase the footprint of the conference as well. "Meara or whatever she's called has the morals of a AIDS-inflicted whore who did one too many tricks in search of $10 crack bags." Nosh, on July 19, 2011 regarding the "ethics" of Cheryl Marra.
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Strange Brew eh		#112	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5944 August 13, 2011 12:08 PM	Ol Badger wrote: Strange Brew eh wrote: You think a move of North Carolina, Boston College and UVA plus one other be a nice addition? UNC is like Texas lite--they want to run the ACC. I'm not sure the B1G is a place they'd like to land because they would be much less powerful. And football continues to play second fiddle to basketball there. BC is ND lite, though it does give the B1G a presence in the New England tv market. Otherwise, it's not a great fit for the conference. UVA would be a nice academic addition (as would UNC), but what else do they bring? If paired with Maryland, perhaps a strong conference presence in the DC market--good for the BTN. You would only add BC if you think you can force ND so you get a NY-Boston connection, or you think you can actually grow the NE into a college football hotbed as BC is the best of the Eastern choices. As Rutgers gives you part of a NYC market but not really, hell when I lived in NJ without the BigTen network I got more Wisconsin games than Rutgers games on basic cable each season and no one cared or complained. UConn is worse, and Syracuse the best of the three in NYC for fan coverage and it gives you upstate NY but it still doesn't make NYC yours. Delaney's push South could be to the DC/Virginia/NC area but the problems is there are too many schools that all have a few flaws: Duke - good basketball, lots of $, no football UVA - good academics, no athletics UNC - good basketball, good name brand and was a commitment to build football they just choose the wrong guy who may have set them back 5 years. NC State - figured they will be attached to any UNC talk. Decent all the way but a real little brother. Maryland - All around decent but nothing that says "Add me, I'm perfect" and if you are going to blow up the ACC then you should take Miami if only for your alumni in Florida plus a huge TV market. This may be a case of where adding Miami increases the size of teh pool for all. Greater attendence for Miami, more TV money in the south and holds off the SEC from owning the state. Somewhat of a defensive move but could be a huge gain. Ga Tech - good school but will always be second fiddle in Georgia.
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HobeyBaker		#113	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4404 August 13, 2011 12:09 PM "Drinking beer outside and with local chicks who have no idea who I am = good times."	How are they going to be able to put together a national schedule when all of these conferences expand and end up playing 10 conference games?
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Badger inohiovalley		#114	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5612 August 13, 2011 12:11 PM	Earlier, I was dismissive of Mizzou to the Big Ten in favor of ND, MD, UVa, VT and GT. That was before this SEC talk for Mizzou. I would rather have Mizzou in the Big Ten before I'd want them in the SEC. They might be hurt from being left at the altar last year. But I'd rather no see the SEC so close to Big Ten country. I know Kentucky is close, but one is enough. ----------------------------- "It is official - this is a rebuilding year." - St. Bucky a.k.a., The Seer, re: The Wisconsin Badgers Basketball Team, 12/8/07
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CportBadger		#115	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3944 August 13, 2011 12:14 PM	If Texas goes independent where do their other sports go? I understand your TV argument with respect to the Texas Rangers, but don't think this is an apples-to-apples comp here. Football, you're looking at 4 away games and with ABC's current set-up, there's a good chance none of the games would end up at 9PM Central. For basketball, you might be looking at doubleheaders on whatever platform they have and always give them the 8PM Central game, when the current Big 12 Big Monday game is. I'm not sure if the other sports matter for this discussion.
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ricecloud9		#116	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4585 August 13, 2011 12:14 PM	el agro wrote: If I were any team left in the Big12 that is not Texas, I would be really really pissed. OK, OK St., TX-Tech are all going to have to scramble now. I like the Southern Option being discussed. Taking a few southern schools might help the B1G baseball programs and make early season scheduling easier. Baseball is way, way, way down the list (if on it at all) when considering any expansion. This is all about football (and to a lesser extend basketball) TV money. ricecloud9
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Badger inohiovalley		#117	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5612 August 13, 2011 12:16 PM	Adding Miami is intriguing. But they'd have to have some partners to come. ND, BC and GT could perhaps do that. With how far South Miami is, it's not like anyone is close to them....even in Tallahassee and Gainesville. ----------------------------- "It is official - this is a rebuilding year." - St. Bucky a.k.a., The Seer, re: The Wisconsin Badgers Basketball Team, 12/8/07
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Strange Brew eh		#118	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5944 August 13, 2011 12:19 PM	Ol Badger wrote: Strange Brew eh wrote: An agreement with NotreDame to have a NotreDame, Texas TV station with a 50/50 split would be huge. Army and Navy have cooperated to establish a commont tv contract and bowl tie-ins as a precedent for ND-UT cooperation, except that the latter would be a much bigger, richer deal. Interesting. Didn't know about that. Delaney's statement and the fact that there is no clear gotta have by evidence of this thread give me the thought that he sits for 3 years and sees how ND and Texas are as independents and then makes them an offer they cannot refuse. You would think that with a 16 team SEC that they may go to 1 non-conference game for stuff like Ga Tech-Georgia, Texas -Texas A&M. Not playing anyone out of their area outside of bowl games means they can be as arrogant as they want. Hell, they'll probably pay players and drop the NCAA (only kind of kidding, i think?). Add in an ultimatum from the BigTen office to cancel future games with NotreDame due to a 9 ormaybe you up it to a 10 game schedule in 2017 and suddenly ND and Texas have trouble filling a national schedule. They would be forced to look back at the Big Ten. The Big 12 basically adds the Texas schools and TCU to form a hybrid Big 8/SWC and is on the same level as BigEast. Then the SEC/BigTen/ACCand Pac 12 set up a Bowl game plus one championship. Big Ten/Pac 10 go back to the Rose Bowl and the ACC/SEC go to a rotating location between Atlanta (Peach), Miami (Orange), and NO (Sugar). The winner of the two games play a week later in Cowboy Stadium. Don't call it a NC game but it will be viewed as such and the smaller schools cannot complain as it simply conference contracts.
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Strange Brew eh		#119	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5944 August 13, 2011 12:26 PM	CportBadger wrote: If Texas goes independent where do their other sports go? I understand your TV argument with respect to the Texas Rangers, but don't think this is an apples-to-apples comp here. Football, you're looking at 4 away games and with ABC's current set-up, there's a good chance none of the games would end up at 9PM Central. For basketball, you might be looking at doubleheaders on whatever platform they have and always give them the 8PM Central game, when the current Big 12 Big Monday game is. I'm not sure if the other sports matter for this discussion. Its not just your game. Even if you set it up that whenever Texas was on the road on the West coast and the game was late afternoon or no later than a 5:00 start there still are a bunch on conference night games. (Arizona, ASU due to the heat). Being in conference that your fans don't watch the other games hurt. Granted we are talking 4 games in football but add in Basketball (being in a conference) vs the Rangers are only talking about 30some games out of 162. Its about a sense of cohesion.
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CportBadger		#120	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3944 August 13, 2011 12:32 PM	Remove this ad I guess I don't see the time being a huge deal since Texas almost made this exact move last year, and they would likely be in a division with (hypothetically) another Texas school, the Oklahoma schools, Utah, Colorado, and the Arizonas.
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