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Skalmo		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6285 January 16, 2012 9:01 AM	Remove this ad Joe Paterno is Catholic, right?
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Ulbian		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7344 January 16, 2012 9:30 AM The Bishop of Bonduel	sackman86 wrote: Sorry, it's precisely a justification whatever you choose to call it. It's pathetic and sad at that. Shame on you, you guys can explain this to those whose lives have been ruined and their families. Sandusky's lawyers are praying for folks like you on their jury. Thank you Lieutenant Commander Data. At Sandusky's trial Paterno won't be on trial. Sandusky was committing these crimes with or without Paterno ignoring them. Paterno's inaction probably caused them to continue but let's not suggest that Paterno was in that locker room holding these kids down while Sandusky raped them. It's not justification. Justification backs you into a corner from which you cannot escape. No one is claiming that here. What the generational argument offers is a glimpse as to why he ignored it. That doesn't make it right which is what you seem to be missing here. No one is saying Paterno acted appropriately, it's simply used as a tool to help understand why he did what he did (or didn't do). Refer back to the Charles Whitman analogy. His crimes were not justified in any possible way but the presence of a brain tumor could offer an explanation why he went crazy. Paterno's age could offer that explanation here as well but his actions are still not justified. That's the point, you seem to be missing it.
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noshbygosh		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2371 January 16, 2012 9:45 AM	Interesting and relevant opinion piece from Gene Wojciechowski in ESPN. See: http://espn.go.com/colleg...nn-state-nittany-lions-i Synopsis: Paterno's claim of ignorance and compliance is inconsistent with his nature, especially when it came to keeping University administrators away from doing their jobs in handling disciplinary matters related to his team. I do think he looked the other way not out of ulterior motives for protecting his legacy but rather because his perception of legacy could not fathom having a pedophile among his ranks. "Guilty conscience" indeed. ****************** "Goldie: The only mascot who's been spayed." Monsignor, November 15, 2007
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Posts: 1861 January 16, 2012 12:35 PM	Ulbian wrote: sackman86 wrote: Sorry, it's precisely a justification whatever you choose to call it. It's pathetic and sad at that. Shame on you, you guys can explain this to those whose lives have been ruined and their families. Sandusky's lawyers are praying for folks like you on their jury. Thank you Lieutenant Commander Data. At Sandusky's trial Paterno won't be on trial. Sandusky was committing these crimes with or without Paterno ignoring them. Paterno's inaction probably caused them to continue but let's not suggest that Paterno was in that locker room holding these kids down while Sandusky raped them. It's not justification. Justification backs you into a corner from which you cannot escape. No one is claiming that here. What the generational argument offers is a glimpse as to why he ignored it. That doesn't make it right which is what you seem to be missing here. No one is saying Paterno acted appropriately, it's simply used as a tool to help understand why he did what he did (or didn't do). Refer back to the Charles Whitman analogy. His crimes were not justified in any possible way but the presence of a brain tumor could offer an explanation why he went crazy. Paterno's age could offer that explanation here as well but his actions are still not justified. That's the point, you seem to be missing it. First, Paterno will be on trial in the civil system. Of course, these cases will never actually get to trial b/c the exposure is so enormous they will be settled. However, I cannot wait to the various information obtained in civil discovery comes out (emails, memos, etc). You will see that Paterno knew damn well this was going on and protected it. Second, do you honestly think that b/c Paterno was old it help explains why he did nothing while his former top coach was having 12 years suck him off? Gimme a break. Old people are the ones who always talk about responsibility and accountabiltiy and all. The notion that old man Paterno just had no idea what he could do here is just dumb. "My biggest indictment of Bielema is that I don't see players developing or getting better. I wonder if he has a good staff of assistants or not" - BadgerInOhioValley, December 28, 2008. "Massively out coached. Massively." - BB Fran, December 3, 2011.
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Ol Badger		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 January 16, 2012 1:07 PM On hiatus	Saint Bucky wrote: First, Paterno will be on trial in the civil system. Of course, these cases will never actually get to trial b/c the exposure is so enormous they will be settled. However, I cannot wait to the various information obtained in civil discovery comes out (emails, memos, etc). You will see that Paterno knew damn well this was going on and protected it. Second, do you honestly think that b/c Paterno was old it help explains why he did nothing while his former top coach was having 12 years suck him off? Gimme a break. Old people are the ones who always talk about responsibility and accountabiltiy and all. The notion that old man Paterno just had no idea what he could do here is just dumb. Translation: "I don't have any more facts than anyone else, but I never let that get in the way of asserting as fact my own opinions, prejudices and all." --St. Bucky Good catch on the pre-poutrages sack post, $1.60. These ARE the good old days!
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Posts: 1861 January 16, 2012 3:25 PM	Ol Badger wrote: Saint Bucky wrote: First, Paterno will be on trial in the civil system. Of course, these cases will never actually get to trial b/c the exposure is so enormous they will be settled. However, I cannot wait to the various information obtained in civil discovery comes out (emails, memos, etc). You will see that Paterno knew damn well this was going on and protected it. Second, do you honestly think that b/c Paterno was old it help explains why he did nothing while his former top coach was having 12 years suck him off? Gimme a break. Old people are the ones who always talk about responsibility and accountabiltiy and all. The notion that old man Paterno just had no idea what he could do here is just dumb. Translation: "I don't have any more facts than anyone else, but I never let that get in the way of asserting as fact my own opinions, prejudices and all." --St. Bucky Good catch on the pre-poutrages sack post, $1.60. Let me get this straight - are you saying Paterno did nothing wrong here? Why do you think he was fired? "My biggest indictment of Bielema is that I don't see players developing or getting better. I wonder if he has a good staff of assistants or not" - BadgerInOhioValley, December 28, 2008. "Massively out coached. Massively." - BB Fran, December 3, 2011.
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number59		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 99 January 16, 2012 3:29 PM	Deadspin agrees with Saint Bucky As do I.
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blockski		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9568 January 16, 2012 3:38 PM	mwingb wrote: I want to be clear I'm saying this with no joy and strictly as an observation. I always thought Penn State football defined JoePa and once he stopped coaching he'd be dead within 2 years. The lung cancer is certainly a coincidence but I'm thinking my original thought is looking pretty likely now. I just have a bad feeling we're talking months with JoePa and not necessarily years. Am I alone in these thoughts? No, but I'd argue that JoePa's death will more likely have to do with the fact that he's 85 and has cancer. Take a random 85 year old male and you could make the same 'dead within 2 years' bet with just as much success.
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DCBadger7		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10482 January 16, 2012 3:47 PM Blissfully Disinterested	OMFG, why are you guys wasting time arguing about this? I thought all the moral outrage got expressed in the prior discussions -- apparently not.
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SavannahBadger		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9276 January 16, 2012 4:40 PM I've got a new girl now	Remove this ad Good call DCB, this is becoming like shouting at a deaf person. I'm done. wiggle wiggle womp, wiggle wiggle wump, wiggle wiggle ooh wah whooo "I'd prefer it that my school's mascot not be portrayed as someone that shirks work responsibilities but instead is checking out smut on the internet. On the other hand, I feel closer than ever to Bucky." - Red Wagon, 2011-09-30
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Ol Badger		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 January 16, 2012 5:56 PM On hiatus	Saint Bucky wrote: Let me get this straight - are you saying Paterno did nothing wrong here? Why do you think he was fired? So, not only did you fail to learn the basics of the law, but you also failed at reading comprehension. Got it. I'm joining DCB7 and Savannah and leaving you to your self-righteous prating. These ARE the good old days!
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sackman86		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3385 January 16, 2012 5:56 PM	Deadspin and Wojo get it, some geniuses here don't. JoePa is way more with it then some here care to admit. It's mot about age, it's about protecting a football legacy.
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BigAppleBucky		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10808 January 16, 2012 7:11 PM	The way Paterno was let go certainly lacked class: Paterno is accused of no wrongdoing, and in fact authorities have said he fulfilled his legal obligations by reporting to his superiors. Nevertheless, the university Board of Trustees summarily dismissed him with a late-night phone call four days after Sandusky’s arrest. At about 10 p.m., Paterno and Sue were getting ready for bed when the doorbell rang. An assistant athletic director was at the door, and wordlessly handed Sue a slip of paper. There was nothing on it but the name of the vice chairman of trustees, John Surma, with a phone number. They stood frozen by the bedside in their nightclothes, Sue in a robe and Paterno in pajamas and a Penn State sweatshirt. Paterno dialed the number. Surma told Paterno, “In the best interests of the university, you are terminated.” Paterno hung up and repeated the words to his wife. She grabbed the phone and redialed. “After 61 years he deserved better,” she snapped. “He deserved better.” I agree with his wife's comment. Of course, life would have been better for all concerned if Paterno had followed up more aggressively on the report, but I can't find it in my heart to hate or be angry with him for not doing so. I don't disagree with the decision to let him go or its timing. Just the way it was handled. Edited 2 times by BigAppleBucky January 16, 2012 7:23 PM.
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Posts: 1861 January 16, 2012 8:02 PM	Ol Badger wrote: Saint Bucky wrote: Let me get this straight - are you saying Paterno did nothing wrong here? Why do you think he was fired? So, not only did you fail to learn the basics of the law, but you also failed at reading comprehension. Got it. I'm joining DCB7 and Savannah and leaving you to your self-righteous prating. Exactly, just bailing out of the discussion b/c you know you are wrong. You are defending the guy b/c he is some sort of bizarre cult hero to you and thousands of other older people who hail from the East. Glad it was finally shown the Emperor has no clothes......too bad a bunch of young boys had to be raped before people realized it. "My biggest indictment of Bielema is that I don't see players developing or getting better. I wonder if he has a good staff of assistants or not" - BadgerInOhioValley, December 28, 2008. "Massively out coached. Massively." - BB Fran, December 3, 2011.
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noshbygosh		#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2371 January 16, 2012 8:15 PM	sackman86 wrote: Deadspin and Wojo get it, some geniuses here don't. JoePa is way more with it then some here care to admit. It's mot about age, it's about protecting a football legacy. Do you think that Paterno covered up Sandusky's behavior for the past 10-15 years to protect his football legacy at Penn State? ****************** "Goldie: The only mascot who's been spayed." Monsignor, November 15, 2007
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jwill535		#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2838 January 16, 2012 8:17 PM	BigAppleBucky wrote: The way Paterno was let go certainly lacked class: Paterno is accused of no wrongdoing, and in fact authorities have said he fulfilled his legal obligations by reporting to his superiors. Nevertheless, the university Board of Trustees summarily dismissed him with a late-night phone call four days after Sandusky’s arrest. At about 10 p.m., Paterno and Sue were getting ready for bed when the doorbell rang. An assistant athletic director was at the door, and wordlessly handed Sue a slip of paper. There was nothing on it but the name of the vice chairman of trustees, John Surma, with a phone number. They stood frozen by the bedside in their nightclothes, Sue in a robe and Paterno in pajamas and a Penn State sweatshirt. Paterno dialed the number. Surma told Paterno, “In the best interests of the university, you are terminated.” Paterno hung up and repeated the words to his wife. She grabbed the phone and redialed. “After 61 years he deserved better,” she snapped. “He deserved better.” I agree with his wife's comment. Of course, life would have been better for all concerned if Paterno had followed up more aggressively on the report, but I can't find it in my heart to hate or be angry with him for not doing so. I don't disagree with the decision to let him go or its timing. Just the way it was handled. Maybe the BOT had never heard of 2 weeks or exit interview. "You know, I cried when I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. And then I laughed....really hard." - Jerri Blank
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Posts: 1861 January 16, 2012 8:53 PM	noshbygosh wrote: sackman86 wrote: Deadspin and Wojo get it, some geniuses here don't. JoePa is way more with it then some here care to admit. It's mot about age, it's about protecting a football legacy. Do you think that Paterno covered up Sandusky's behavior for the past 10-15 years to protect his football legacy at Penn State? Absolutely. "My biggest indictment of Bielema is that I don't see players developing or getting better. I wonder if he has a good staff of assistants or not" - BadgerInOhioValley, December 28, 2008. "Massively out coached. Massively." - BB Fran, December 3, 2011.
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DCBadger7		#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10482 January 16, 2012 9:16 PM Blissfully Disinterested	The other thing more amazing than your obvious and profound cynicism, Saint, is the mysterious blind spot in that cynicism when it comes to Bret Bielema.
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Big Eddy Springs		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4567 January 16, 2012 10:09 PM	Here's the thing. The Saint could be right. The saint could be wrong. We don't know what he(Paterno) knew, when he knew it! The firing of Paterno, while possibly being a red flag as to his guilt as read by Saint and others. The problem I have is it may have nothing to do with his actual guilt or innocence! It is entirely possible that the firing is based off pure appearance of guilt and a CYA reaction. What this comes down to is that The saint tends to look a situation, evaluate it and make a decision. He will never come off of his opinion. I think I would be more comfortable with a few more facts, something we may never see.
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Ol Badger		#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 January 16, 2012 10:30 PM On hiatus	Remove this ad Saint Bucky wrote: You are defending the guy b/c he is some sort of bizarre cult hero to you and thousands of other older people who hail from the East. You are ignorant of my view of Paterno, which is very far from the above. But keep playing the jackass--it's quite entertaining. These ARE the good old days!
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