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Posts: 1656 January 23, 2012 2:47 PM	Remove this ad We come off a big win over Illinois, and I come take a look at the board and what do I see? ETR laughing at and Bobadger chipping in about my post regarding Coach Ryan and winning a National Championship. It is amazing to me how quickly some people become total jerks when things go (what they perceive to be) their way. Nowhere in my original post did I say anything about Bo being a bad coach, about this team being doomed to the NIT about the world ending, etc...but you guys are quick to shit on my post when we roll off a four game winning streak. My post was about setting MY OWN expectations correctly. My history with this program is well documented from my time I worked for Stu Jackson and Stan VanGundy to the amazing treatment we have received from the program from Michael Flowers, Joe Robinson, Bo Ryan and many, many others. If any of you think that I don't love this program with every ounce of my being then you are clueless. Would it make sense for me to threaten to pin all your posts to the top of the board if we don't win a National Championship? Maybe next time we lose 2 games in a row? Seriously, go back and read my post and tell me where I said the season was over, our program sucks, etc.... This whole bed wetter/rose colored glasses thing has to stop. If you really feel better about yourself because you can pull up an old post on a message board and show that you were right and someone else was wrong (and in my case I was neither right or wrong, just setting my own expectations properly) then you are pathetic. Edited 1 time by badgerab January 23, 2012 4:32 PM.
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SaundersBucky		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16992 January 23, 2012 2:57 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	badgerab wrote: This whole bed wetter/rose colored glasses thing has to stop. I suspect that people that have the ability to move threads to the Bickering Board are going to have a much quicker trigger finger when the topic goes from the analysis level to the "ha ha" level.
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Eric the Red		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8838 January 23, 2012 2:57 PM	The Badgers lost 3 games and you felt the need to re-evaluate your entire world view of Badger basketball. Most of what you said is fine... Why do it at that point in the season and not after 4 wins? Your Text Signature ...
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Bobadger		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1468 January 23, 2012 3:00 PM	Let's not rehash your actual argument, as I think ETR's jab wasn't meant specifically for you and that thread, but rather the entire ridiculousness of many here throwing Bo and this team under the bus after a few losses. Also, love how you took offense to me saying you had a thick skull (or something to that effect) and yet you respond with things like "go fuck yourself" and calling people "cocksuckers." Tad hypocritical, no?
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SaundersBucky		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16992 January 23, 2012 3:17 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	OB Dude post: I think we have it in ourselves to have these discussions without resorting to the insults and the raised blood pressure. Everybody here is awesome!
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BB Fran		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7380 January 23, 2012 3:20 PM *Moral fibre? Why, you little pasty-face...I invented* moral fibre!**	Timing is everything. Yes, even if you made a post about how your expectations are out of whack (that includes the bald statement "We're not a National Championship caliber program") in the middle of June, it would engender lively debate. But to post it after a tough three game stretch just makes it come off as exactly what you said it wasn't -- bedwetting. And the subsequent four game winning streak rather compellingly exposes it as a frustration post that was the internet equivalent of texting while drunk. Nobody doubts your passion, ab, and you have a right to believe whatever you want about where the ceiling lies for this program, no matter how wrong many of us think you are. But you're damn right that posts like that at times like that are going to be both resented and remembered. Your Text Signature ...
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jebucky		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2077 January 23, 2012 3:23 PM	badgerab wrote: Nowhere in my original post did I say anything about Bo being a bad coach, about this team being doomed to the NIT about the world ending, etc...but you guys are quick to shit on my post when we roll off a four game winning streak. **** Badgerab** wrote: There is no reason to be surprised about what is happening with this team. Based on Coach Ryan's system, recruiting methodology, etc...this is what we are going to get. We are going to go through extended cold spells because we do not have players that can regularly create their own shots nor do we get transition baskets. We are going to have players who play tentative because they know that there is generally a short leash with mistakes. We are going to have players get fatigued at the end of games and the season because there is not a deep rotation This was in your post. I wouldn't exactly call this a ringing endorsement for Bo Ryan as a coach. Even if you didn't say he should be fired, I don't think Bo Ryan would read this and say wow that guy really likes me and thinks I'm a good coach!!! It's been comical on here lately, some posters have been very critical of the program on this board and I guess they just expect everyone to agree with them by their reactions when posters don't agree with them. I've seen the term bedwetter posted far more by people who are critical of Bo Ryan than by posters calling someone a bedwetter.. I have absolutley no problem with posters being critical of Ryan or giving their honest opinions, I do have a problem when they are critical and can't handle when other posters defend a guy who has done a phenomenal job for our program in the right way. I'm not necessarily saying you badgerab, but it certainly is happening on here enough lately. Edited 1 time by jebucky January 23, 2012 3:27 PM.
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Big E Sports		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1864 January 23, 2012 3:43 PM	Tapdancing Christ.......just so I can keep track here: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting - crowing about beating #36, 104, 64 and 40 (2 on the road) = I told you so Can we please have a place where we can air concerns or heap praise on our team and not be labeled? Can we please have some evenness? Losing 3 tough games doesn't eliminate them from the Tournament any more than winning 4 games vs. inferior opponents cements their place at the top of the Big 10. Everything will play out, game by game. We all have opinions about this team, perhaps more than any other year. In many ways, those very diverse opinions have helped generate my interest in this season to see how it plays out. "Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath."
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Big Eddy Springs		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4530 January 23, 2012 4:13 PM	Seems to me that we have many many people here besides myself that have trouble being wrong or at least be accused of being wrong, by some, in a mocking way. Mostly it comes down to people that take the ridiculous criticism of the team to new heights with each loss, and then those that seem to rationalize any Badger loss and will not tolerate anyone else that does not drink the kool-aid with same zeal as they do. Things are operating fairly normal here. I think if I were Badgerrab I would lose the C********R word so this thread can stay off the bickering board.
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The Ghost of Larry Horse		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2729 January 23, 2012 4:15 PM	Big E Sports wrote: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting You're not pointing out obvious flaws with the 2011-2012 team or even looking at the individual games, you're arguing about The State of the Program every. single. time. the Badgers lose a few games.
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Bobadger		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1468 January 23, 2012 4:17 PM	Remove this ad Big E Sports wrote: Tapdancing Christ.......just so I can keep track here: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting - crowing about beating #36, 104, 64 and 40 (2 on the road) = I told you so Can we please have a place where we can air concerns or heap praise on our team and not be labeled? Can we please have some evenness? Losing 3 tough games doesn't eliminate them from the Tournament any more than winning 4 games vs. inferior opponents cements their place at the top of the Big 10. Everything will play out, game by game. We all have opinions about this team, perhaps more than any other year. In many ways, those very diverse opinions have helped generate my interest in this season to see how it plays out. Problem is: Losing three games does not equate to "Wisconsin can't win a championship with Bo Ryan" "Wisconsin isn't going to make the tournament" "Wisconsin has no talent" etc. What is does equate to (paired with other results from the season), this is a good team that is playing poorly right now. Also, @Purdue and @Illinois are not "inferior opponents" Neither have lost other games at home this year. Illinois beat OSU at home. Hardly inferior opponents. There is a reason Wisconsin hasn't accomplished that feat since 1918.
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jebucky		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2077 January 23, 2012 4:27 PM	Big E Sports wrote: Tapdancing Christ.......just so I can keep track here: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting - crowing about beating #36, 104, 64 and 40 (2 on the road) = I told you so Can we please have a place where we can air concerns or heap praise on our team and not be labeled? Can we please have some evenness? Losing 3 tough games doesn't eliminate them from the Tournament any more than winning 4 games vs. inferior opponents cements their place at the top of the Big 10. Everything will play out, game by game. We all have opinions about this team, perhaps more than any other year. In many ways, those very diverse opinions have helped generate my interest in this season to see how it plays out. You certainly are even 3sport, your rare praise of the team is almost always in the form of the backhanded compliment.
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Big E Sports		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1864 January 23, 2012 4:30 PM	The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting You're not pointing out obvious flaws with the 2011-2012 team or even looking at the individual games, you're arguing about The State of the Program every. single. time. the Badgers lose a few games. Help me follow here.....I have two separate views that are intertwined. 1) the talent has been trending downward for years and has hit a low point with this year's team and 2) this year's team struggles to score. One of the reasons this year's team struggles to score is because of the talent, another is because of the system, another is because the talent around the league is better than it has been in some years. How would you like me to opine when one has a piece of the other? "Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath."
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badgerab		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1656 January 23, 2012 4:33 PM	Post edited for language. My apologies to anyone that it offended.
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Big E Sports		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1864 January 23, 2012 4:36 PM	jebucky wrote: Big E Sports wrote: Tapdancing Christ.......just so I can keep track here: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting - crowing about beating #36, 104, 64 and 40 (2 on the road) = I told you so Can we please have a place where we can air concerns or heap praise on our team and not be labeled? Can we please have some evenness? Losing 3 tough games doesn't eliminate them from the Tournament any more than winning 4 games vs. inferior opponents cements their place at the top of the Big 10. Everything will play out, game by game. We all have opinions about this team, perhaps more than any other year. In many ways, those very diverse opinions have helped generate my interest in this season to see how it plays out. You certainly are even 3sport, your rare praise of the team is almost always in the form of the backhanded compliment. A-thank-you! I am merely going by rankings......the "numbers" say we should have won 6 of those 7 games. We've won 4......my view is the best teams in the B1G are OSU, MSU, Michy and Indiana....it has been since the beginning of the year and they have zero wins against those teams. It should be no surprise my opinion hasn't changed....they are a good, solid team. Thursday will, personally, tell me a lot. "Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath."
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badgerab		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1656 January 23, 2012 4:38 PM	jebucky wrote: badgerab wrote: Nowhere in my original post did I say anything about Bo being a bad coach, about this team being doomed to the NIT about the world ending, etc...but you guys are quick to shit on my post when we roll off a four game winning streak. **** Badgerab** wrote: There is no reason to be surprised about what is happening with this team. Based on Coach Ryan's system, recruiting methodology, etc...this is what we are going to get. We are going to go through extended cold spells because we do not have players that can regularly create their own shots nor do we get transition baskets. We are going to have players who play tentative because they know that there is generally a short leash with mistakes. We are going to have players get fatigued at the end of games and the season because there is not a deep rotation This was in your post. I wouldn't exactly call this a ringing endorsement for Bo Ryan as a coach. Even if you didn't say he should be fired, I don't think Bo Ryan would read this and say wow that guy really likes me and thinks I'm a good coach!!! It's been comical on here lately, some posters have been very critical of the program on this board and I guess they just expect everyone to agree with them by their reactions when posters don't agree with them. I've seen the term bedwetter posted far more by people who are critical of Bo Ryan than by posters calling someone a bedwetter.. I have absolutley no problem with posters being critical of Ryan or giving their honest opinions, I do have a problem when they are critical and can't handle when other posters defend a guy who has done a phenomenal job for our program in the right way. I'm not necessarily saying you badgerab, but it certainly is happening on here enough lately. You are correct in that it is not a ringing endorsement of Bo Ryan as a coach who could win a National Championship. The mistake I made is that I was not clear in differentiating or saying how difficult I think it would be for anyone to win a National Championship as Coach of the Badgers but that his style may exacerbate the problem. I was also not clear enough in stressing how much I think he is the right coach for this program and how much respect I have for everything he has accomplished.
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badgerab		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1656 January 23, 2012 4:40 PM	Eric the Red wrote: The Badgers lost 3 games and you felt the need to re-evaluate your entire world view of Badger basketball. Most of what you said is fine... Why do it at that point in the season and not after 4 wins? This is a good point but even after our four game win streak, I love the team and Coach as much as I did during the three game losing streak but am not any closer to the belief that MY mindset should be National Championship. In a way maybe I am trying to put on the rose colored glasses and stop being such a bedwetter.
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The Ghost of Larry Horse		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2729 January 23, 2012 4:43 PM	Big E Sports wrote: The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting You're not pointing out obvious flaws with the 2011-2012 team or even looking at the individual games, you're arguing about The State of the Program every. single. time. the Badgers lose a few games. Help me follow here.....I have two separate views that are intertwined. 1) the talent has been trending downward for years and has hit a low point with this year's team and 2) this year's team struggles to score. One of the reasons this year's team struggles to score is because of the talent, another is because of the system, another is because the talent around the league is better than it has been in some years. How would you like me to opine when one has a piece of the other? Perhaps waiting until the season is over before declaring a low point for Badger basketball (seems like common sense) and not declare it a low point for the program immediately after they lose a game? The certain segement of Badger basketball fans who are constantly worried about "The State of the Program" on a game by game basis is really weird, and much different from the other teams I follow. Complaining about a National Championship potential under Bo Ryan immediately after a January loss to Michigan would be funny if it wasn't so annoying.
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Posts: 13632 January 23, 2012 4:51 PM The disputatious one	badgerab wrote: The mistake I made is that I was not clear in differentiating or saying how difficult I think it would be for anyone to win a National Championship as Coach of the Badgers but that his style may exacerbate the problem. I was also not clear enough in stressing how much I think he is the right coach for this program and how much respect I have for everything he has accomplished. Ludicrous
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Big E Sports		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1864 January 23, 2012 4:53 PM	The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting You're not pointing out obvious flaws with the 2011-2012 team or even looking at the individual games, you're arguing about The State of the Program every. single. time. the Badgers lose a few games. Help me follow here.....I have two separate views that are intertwined. 1) the talent has been trending downward for years and has hit a low point with this year's team and 2) this year's team struggles to score. One of the reasons this year's team struggles to score is because of the talent, another is because of the system, another is because the talent around the league is better than it has been in some years. How would you like me to opine when one has a piece of the other? Perhaps waiting until the season is over before declaring a low point for Badger basketball (seems like common sense) and not declare it a low point for the program immediately after they lose a game? The certain segement of Badger basketball fans who are constantly worried about "The State of the Program" on a game by game basis is really weird, and much different from the other teams I follow. Complaining about a National Championship potential under Bo Ryan immediately after a January loss to Michigan would be funny if it wasn't so annoying. I fully agree with that. The "we're out of the tournament" crowd is a bit much, but some folks are just more high-strung than you or I and need a forum to vent out those feelings. I welcome them here if it helps, annoying as it is. "Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath."
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Skalmo		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6283 January 23, 2012 5:00 PM	Remove this ad Big E Sports wrote: The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: The Ghost of Larry Horse wrote: Big E Sports wrote: - pointing out obvious flaws after losing to the 98th, 4th and 39th best teams (2 at home) = bedwetting You're not pointing out obvious flaws with the 2011-2012 team or even looking at the individual games, you're arguing about The State of the Program every. single. time. the Badgers lose a few games. Help me follow here.....I have two separate views that are intertwined. 1) the talent has been trending downward for years and has hit a low point with this year's team and 2) this year's team struggles to score. One of the reasons this year's team struggles to score is because of the talent, another is because of the system, another is because the talent around the league is better than it has been in some years. How would you like me to opine when one has a piece of the other? Perhaps waiting until the season is over before declaring a low point for Badger basketball (seems like common sense) and not declare it a low point for the program immediately after they lose a game? The certain segement of Badger basketball fans who are constantly worried about "The State of the Program" on a game by game basis is really weird, and much different from the other teams I follow. Complaining about a National Championship potential under Bo Ryan immediately after a January loss to Michigan would be funny if it wasn't so annoying. I fully agree with that. The "we're out of the tournament" crowd is a bit much, but some folks are just more high-strung than you or I and need a forum to vent out those feelings. I welcome them here if it helps, annoying as it is. He is talking about you.
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