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Now that Danny O'Brien is coming, how does the UW QB competition shape up?

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sackman86		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3383 March 28, 2012 3:28 PM	Remove this ad DCBadger7 wrote: Eric, did you see this piece from CBSsports? http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/18110806/bret-bielema-needs-to-change-his-approach-to-recruiting-quarterbacks Frankly, I found the analysis to be incredibly shallow. The writer acknowledges the injury problems, but then ignores the fact that without 'em we'd be fine in terms of having enough QBs on the roster. He also ignores the implications of taking multiple QBs in each class. If there's one thing we learned from our RW/DO'B experiences, it's that QBs are incredibly cognizant of the depth chart and what level of opportunity that presents. Changing our recruiting approach and, ultimately, how our QB depth is managed, is more complicated than the writer seems to recognize. Sure, you can take more kids, but maybe individually those kids are more of the 'just a guy' caliber and not of the 'special/stud prospect' caliber. It's a calculated risk, for sure, to go 1 QB per class, but the potential pay off is arguably bigger by targeting one kid you think is special than targeting multiple kids who are likely to be program guys who evolve into game managers. Also, the writer completely ingores the unique situation UW is in with its roster. We had a relatively small class this year and next year's looks to be even smaller. With that hard reality, you can't exacerbate your roster challenges by potentially ignoring other positions in order to bring in more QBs. Obviously, QB has to be a priority, but do you take an extra QB instead of an OL, LB, etc, etc? Bottom line, I found the piece to be a predictable reaction to DO'B's announcement and one that is superficial, at best. Just to have some fun, Bret should announce we are no longer signing any QB's out of high school and will strictly be recruiting college transfers - lol.
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Eric the Red		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8838 March 28, 2012 3:34 PM	The article is shallow nonsense. If they were 100% healthy, both Budmyer and Phillips showed some glimpses they could at least be effective managers. They got hurt. Bielema can't predict that. As for taking more quarterbacks... nonsense. Wisconsin is a team that develops their players, not brings in a bunch of studs who play right away, so we can't waste extra scholarships on more quarterbacks. If you take one highly-regarded guy per year, that's plenty. Follow me on Twitter.
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TristansShadow		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7741 March 28, 2012 3:48 PM Chef Ameche	Prepare yourself for an entire season (or more!) of similar comments from ignorant fans and media types. Essentially UW won a recruiting battle. (like last year) These happen every year, it's just that when it is for high school kids nobody complains about 1) the huge advantages for PSU / tOSU / Bama and 2) it takes 20 years of bad teams before Notre Dame's inability to develop players from highly rated recruits gets noticed. If 2 Badger QBs get injured it somehow reflects on an entire process of recruiting HS players? And lots of the bitching will come from people who, at other times, will campaign for student athletes to have greater flexibility -- only to look askance on one of the few situations that actually does give athletes some leverage, after they prove themselves on the field and in the classroom. Personally I am going to enjoy all of the bitching as the Badgers head to Pasadena again next year. Whine Sparty, whine!
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Mad Birdman		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1200 March 28, 2012 3:52 PM	I don't think that DOB will be living with Abby...Abby's new wife might not like that (unless they want to have a butler)! "It's a blessing to be in Madison, it's a blessing to be a Badger."--Russell Wilson
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LeviBooth		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10854 March 28, 2012 4:06 PM	TristansShadow wrote: Prepare yourself for an entire season (or more!) of similar comments from ignorant fans and media types. Essentially UW won a recruiting battle. (like last year) These happen every year, it's just that when it is for high school kids nobody complains about 1) the huge advantages for PSU / tOSU / Bama and 2) it takes 20 years of bad teams before Notre Dame's inability to develop players from highly rated recruits gets noticed. If 2 Badger QBs get injured it somehow reflects on an entire process of recruiting HS players? And lots of the bitching will come from people who, at other times, will campaign for student athletes to have greater flexibility -- only to look askance on one of the few situations that actually does give athletes some leverage, after they prove themselves on the field and in the classroom. Personally I am going to enjoy all of the bitching as the Badgers head to Pasadena again next year. Whine Sparty, whine! I can't wait...as Homer says to Flanders, 'The mating call of the loser'.
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Ol Badger		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23762 March 28, 2012 4:14 PM On hiatus	TristansShadow wrote: Personally I am going to enjoy all of the bitching as the Badgers head to Pasadena again next year. Whine Sparty, whine! +1 Does anyone really care what some guy at CBS says? Does anyone even know who Tom Fornelli is? Apparently, he was a sports blogger for AOL until last year, when he went to CBSSports.com. There, he got to tweet about (I am not making this up) Purdue Pete on the sidelines at the Pizza Bowl in Detroit. His Technorati entry says, in full: "Hi, I'm Tom. I keep a sports blog called Foul Balls. You should read it, seriously. It will change your fucking life." It's worth noting that there's nothing associated with his name prior to 2008. These ARE the good old days!
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UWCurmudgeon		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 204 March 28, 2012 4:18 PM	I am very pleased to hear that Danny is coming to Madison but I have to disagree with many on this board who are defending the history of QB recruiting at UW. I have been a season ticket holder for 40 years and I believe we have had exactly two great QB's in the past half century. They were Ron Vanderkelen and Russel Wilson. We have had a lot of good and a few not so good QB's. We have had a lot of well-coached, overachieving QB's but very few great QB's. It would be one thing if we recruited 1- 4or5 star QB each year but we don't. We are able to recruit mid-level talent at QB and have been fortunate to have coaches that were able to turn them into effective Badger QB's but, historically, our QB depth has been marginal. I hope Wilson, O'Brien and Houston mark the turning point for Badger QB's but history says otherwise. If we get a recruit like Houston, then 1QB per class is fine but that will probably be the exception and not the rule.
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RoseBowlMtg		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2515 March 28, 2012 4:22 PM I'm really Jim Nantz	Interesting watching the DOB video was that he was locked in on the receiver on every throw. Small sample and maybe he didn't need to look off the safety but..... 2.5 seconds to throw? How do you go down field in 2.5 seconds?
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SavannahBadger		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9269 March 28, 2012 4:33 PM I've got a new girl now	UWCurmudgeon wrote: I hope Wilson, O'Brien and Houston mark the turning point for Badger QB's but history says otherwise. If we get a recruit like Houston, then 1QB per class is fine but that will probably be the exception and not the rule. If we have success (again) with another transfer QB, we might be seeing the turning point where top QB's want to come here FIRST, rather than going to an ACC school and transferring here. Hopefully recruits along the lines of Houston will pan out into fairly decent FBS level QB's down the road. wiggle wiggle womp, wiggle wiggle wump, wiggle wiggle ooh wah whooo "I'd prefer it that my school's mascot not be portrayed as someone that shirks work responsibilities but instead is checking out smut on the internet. On the other hand, I feel closer than ever to Bucky." - Red Wagon, 2011-09-30
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buckyballsandpucks		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1663 March 28, 2012 4:36 PM	Remove this ad I noticed that as well, RBM. Hope it's just the selected plays from the highlights. If it's not, well, Canada's gotta do some teaching to earn his keep as qb coach, doesn't he?
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karlgerbschmidt		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 110 March 28, 2012 4:47 PM	seriously...with the below schedule, and the addition of an experienced QB 9/1 Northern Iowa 9/8 at Oregon State, Saguaro Fest 9! 9/15 Utah State 9/22 Texas – El Paso 9/29 at Nebraska 10/6 Illinois 10/13 at Purdue 10/20 Minnesota 10/27 Michigan State, 11 a.m. 11/3 BYE 11/10 at Indiana 11/17 Ohio State 11/24 at Penn State 12/1 Big Ten Championship, Indianapolis if we get past the Nebraska game and BIG Championship, we should be playing in the BSC championship game...does anyone else see a loss on this schedule, unless there are 2 undefeated teams other than UW and one or both have stronger strength of schedules...I can't see any losses however....no pressure though.
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buckyballsandpucks		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1663 March 28, 2012 5:00 PM	Let's not finish the season, karl, before it gets started. At this point, I'm just hoping that the team gets out of Spring ball healthy and enthusiastic for Fall camp.
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jones21		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 367 March 28, 2012 5:07 PM	I only saw O'Brien "locked in" to a receiver on the play fake and fade, both of which are acceptable (and went for touchdowns). I saw him look off zone defenders on the crossing patterns and also go through progressions before scrambling to find an open receiver on other plays. No, he is not Russell Wilson, but the guy knows how to play quarterback.
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bdgrinmifl		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1027 March 28, 2012 5:32 PM	TristansShadow wrote: Prepare yourself for an entire season (or more!) of similar comments from ignorant fans and media types. Essentially UW won a recruiting battle. (like last year) These happen every year, it's just that when it is for high school kids nobody complains about 1) the huge advantages for PSU / tOSU / Bama and 2) it takes 20 years of bad teams before Notre Dame's inability to develop players from highly rated recruits gets noticed. If 2 Badger QBs get injured it somehow reflects on an entire process of recruiting HS players? And lots of the bitching will come from people who, at other times, will campaign for student athletes to have greater flexibility -- only to look askance on one of the few situations that actually does give athletes some leverage, after they prove themselves on the field and in the classroom. Personally I am going to enjoy all of the bitching as the Badgers head to Pasadena again next year. Whine Sparty, whine! Hey, Tris, was just watching the LOCAL news down here in FL, and the guy reported something like "for a lot of Wisconsin Badger fans down here, and we know there are a bunch of them, they have a new qb named O'Brien". And like your implication, couldn't care what others think. Okay, great! Count me as one, who is still in the Stave Camp. My view of the world is that Stave can be...THIS SEASON..much more athletic that O'Brien and more effective. I'm glad the O'Brien is here to allow us to have more options, but that's what I'm happy about....I really don't see O'Brien as a step up from Stave, and from my standpoint, Stave and O'Brien are the only options. This is NOT a Russell Wilson situation, and I think everyone knows that, but he certainly can help.
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deanwormer		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 807 March 28, 2012 6:52 PM	karlgerbschmidt wrote: if we get past the Nebraska game and BIG Championship, we should be playing in the BSC championship game...does anyone else see a loss on this schedule, unless there are 2 undefeated teams other than UW and one or both have stronger strength of schedules...I can't see any losses however....no pressure though. Nothing like shooting your load before the season starts, or even spring practice.
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KegStand81		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5494 March 28, 2012 7:11 PM	Ol Badger wrote: His Technorati entry says, in full: "Hi, I'm Tom. I keep a sports blog called Foul Balls. You should read it, seriously. It will change your fucking life." Well, technically it did change my fucking life. Prior to reading this, I had no opinion about Tom Fornelli and now I think he's a giant douche.
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badgers1331		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 246 March 28, 2012 7:15 PM	RoseBowlMtg wrote: Interesting watching the DOB video was that he was locked in on the receiver on every throw. Small sample and maybe he didn't need to look off the safety but..... I thought the exact same thing. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with it, but it's interesting that most of those passes were thrown in the direction of Torrey Smith, who went on to become an NFL starter and is considered one of the fastest receivers in the league.
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NumenLumen		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10435 March 28, 2012 7:20 PM Shout, shout - let it all out. These are the things I can do without.	deanwormer wrote: karlgerbschmidt wrote: if we get past the Nebraska game and BIG Championship, we should be playing in the BSC championship game...does anyone else see a loss on this schedule, unless there are 2 undefeated teams other than UW and one or both have stronger strength of schedules...I can't see any losses however....no pressure though. Nothing like shooting your load before the season starts, or even spring practice. Gerby...will you be breaking Randy's leg to get tix for the BCS game, as well....he's probably healed from the Super Bowl by now, no?
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badgerman27		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2318 March 28, 2012 8:13 PM	karlgerbschmidt wrote: seriously...with the below schedule, and the addition of an experienced QB 9/1 Northern Iowa 9/8 at Oregon State, Saguaro Fest 9! 9/15 Utah State 9/22 Texas – El Paso 9/29 at Nebraska 10/6 Illinois 10/13 at Purdue 10/20 Minnesota 10/27 Michigan State, 11 a.m. 11/3 BYE 11/10 at Indiana 11/17 Ohio State 11/24 at Penn State 12/1 Big Ten Championship, Indianapolis if we get past the Nebraska game and BIG Championship, we should be playing in the BSC championship game...does anyone else see a loss on this schedule, unless there are 2 undefeated teams other than UW and one or both have stronger strength of schedules...I can't see any losses however....no pressure though. Love the enthusiasm, but let's take it one game at a time..
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NYChez		#40	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3401 March 28, 2012 8:22 PM	Remove this ad The more mature the kid, the more likely he is to pick Wisconsin. DEAL WITH IT!
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Now that Danny O'Brien is coming, how does the UW QB competition shape up?