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TheMonsignor	Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!		Lead	[-]
Posts: 7082 April 15, 2012 10:19 PM Phil King "200 lbs, dripping wet"	Remove this ad I just started reading Cullen Murphy's book on the Inquisition ("God's Jury: The Inquisition and the Making of the Modern World") and the most interesting tid-bit in the first twenty pages was that the INDEXES to documents held by the Vatican comprise 35,000 volumes. Impressive. Here's a review of Murphy's book: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/books/gods-jury-by-cullen-murphy-review.html?pagewanted=all Bless the Badgers.
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Joe Hill		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1146 April 16, 2012 11:56 AM	I did a substantial amount of research on this stuff. They really, really liked the paperwork.
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CSXTBucky		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1073 April 27, 2012 1:35 PM	Bring out the comfy chair! If it's not late, it wasn't our freight!
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blockski		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9538 April 27, 2012 1:46 PM	Biggles... Fetch the CUSHIONS!!!
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DCBadger7		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10457 April 27, 2012 4:10 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Look out, sin!!
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AKA TAW		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13244 April 27, 2012 4:30 PM Den Mother	Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition! Well, we kind of do in Sauk County. Probably the folks in Platteville do, too. There's only two things in life, but I forget what they are. - John Hiatt, Buffalo River Home
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mcguda		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7696 April 27, 2012 7:45 PM C.O.F. elderly gangbanger	The Inquisition is described as "an organized bureaucracy that establishes a set of repressive procedures that are formalized in law and enforced by an institutional power". I won't be impressed until I see his book on the California DMV.
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Posts: 1919 April 27, 2012 10:27 PM	mcguda wrote: The Inquisition is described as "an organized bureaucracy that establishes a set of repressive procedures that are formalized in law and enforced by an institutional power". I won't be impressed until I see his book on the California DMV. Screw the DMV. If you want really unbridled bureaucracy, I offer up the South Coast Air Quality Management District. The AQMD could show those Spaniards some tricks. -------------- The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P. J. O'Rourke
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Posts: 10457 April 28, 2012 6:24 PM Blissfully Disinterested	SoCalBadger wrote: mcguda wrote: The Inquisition is described as "an organized bureaucracy that establishes a set of repressive procedures that are formalized in law and enforced by an institutional power". I won't be impressed until I see his book on the California DMV. Screw the DMV. If you want really unbridled bureaucracy, I offer up the South Coast Air Quality Management District. The AQMD could show those Spaniards some tricks. CARB is no slouch, either.
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BigAppleBucky	Couldn't resist	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10752 April 28, 2012 7:43 PM	The USA is like a car. Pick D to go forward, R to go backward.
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TheMonsignor		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7082 April 28, 2012 9:15 PM Phil King "200 lbs, dripping wet"	Remove this ad BigAppleBucky wrote: � Awesome, BAB.� Mel Brooks is a genius. Cullen Murphy refers both to this movie�and the famous Monty Python routine in his book, making the point that in one respect the Inquisition was very successful:� Everybody knows its name. Bless the Badgers.
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TheMonsignor		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7082 April 28, 2012 10:46 PM Phil King "200 lbs, dripping wet"	And who expected the Madison Inquisition? http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/bishop-morlino-warns-dissenters-to-stop-or-else/article_7b4c5820-9187-11e1-bd38-001a4bcf887a.html Bless the Badgers.
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AKA TAW		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13244 April 29, 2012 10:39 PM Den Mother	TheMonsignor wrote: And who expected the Madison Inquisition? http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/bishop-morlino-warns-dissenters-to-stop-or-else/article_7b4c5820-9187-11e1-bd38-001a4bcf887a.html I despise that man with a passion. He attacks people who he thinks question his sent-from-above decrees, threatens those who spread what he calls "rumors and gossip," wants a strict doctrinaire interpretation of Church rules and meanwhile goes out to lunch and feels free to drink wine and eat well. Let the "Little People" follow the rules made several centuries ago - he is a modern Bishop and modern rules are great for himself, just not anyone else. Don't even get me started on how he has treated women within the Church. Bad Bishop; may or may not be a Bad Man. There's only two things in life, but I forget what they are. - John Hiatt, Buffalo River Home
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KegStand81		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5457 April 30, 2012 12:18 AM	Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know.
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MicroBadger		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 648 April 30, 2012 1:07 PM	KegStand81 wrote: Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know. Please see my response in the what do you think about in church thread. Other than the occasional wedding or funeral, church is the golf course or the woods. ************************************* We maintained civility, which was easier given my condition, but his eyes were calling me a pussy and mine were calling him Josef Mengele. ........... ryebadger 5/17/12
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Joe Hill		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1146 April 30, 2012 2:41 PM	KegStand81 wrote: Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know. The short answer is that they don't. Catholics of my generation -- raised in the post-Vatican II era -- are struggling with the conservative backlash exemplified by people like Morlino and Burke. Herself, for instance, is a (mostly) no-nonsense Wisconsin Catholic who went to Catholic schools through college. Her contempt for clowns like Morlino is impressive. Why doesn't she leave? It's her church. She was born in it. She was educated and married in it, and she's going to die in it. She's not going anywhere. Although she may end up switching parishes when the 900-year-old liberal Irish monsignor at her parish finally steps on a rainbow and Morlino replaces him with a couple Extremadura fascists. Many of my other Catholic friends feel the same way. I think Milwaukee Catholicism is more liberal, even under conservatives like Dolan, and most of my Milwaukee friends seem relatively happy in their parishes and schools. The Madison ones are worried. Even the ones who have good priests and good parish communities for now are worried that Morlino will replace their priests with people from elsewhere who do not know about and do not care about their parish culture and traditions. Everybody seems irked about the new liturgy. Herself's criticism -- "It's a crappy, literal translation." Makes sense to me.
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RealSectionX		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 945 April 30, 2012 9:11 PM	Joe Hill wrote: KegStand81 wrote: Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know. The short answer is that they don't. Catholics of my generation -- raised in the post-Vatican II era -- are struggling with the conservative backlash exemplified by people like Morlino and Burke. Herself, for instance, is a (mostly) no-nonsense Wisconsin Catholic who went to Catholic schools through college. Her contempt for clowns like Morlino is impressive. Why doesn't she leave? It's her church. She was born in it. She was educated and married in it, and she's going to die in it. She's not going anywhere. Although she may end up switching parishes when the 900-year-old liberal Irish monsignor at her parish finally steps on a rainbow and Morlino replaces him with a couple Extremadura fascists. Many of my other Catholic friends feel the same way. I think Milwaukee Catholicism is more liberal, even under conservatives like Dolan, and most of my Milwaukee friends seem relatively happy in their parishes and schools. The Madison ones are worried. Even the ones who have good priests and good parish communities for now are worried that Morlino will replace their priests with people from elsewhere who do not know about and do not care about their parish culture and traditions. Everybody seems irked about the new liturgy. Herself's criticism -- "It's a crappy, literal translation." Makes sense to me. I'm in the same place as herself. although I am close to bolting. There's a Buddhist monastery down the road (across the street from the Monsignor's old homestead, actually) and I've advised the lovely Mrs. X I might wander out there some day to take their lessons in Buddhism. At least I won't have to shave my head for it. X
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TheMonsignor		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7082 April 30, 2012 9:20 PM Phil King "200 lbs, dripping wet"	RealSectionX wrote: Joe Hill wrote: KegStand81 wrote: Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know. The short answer is that they don't. Catholics of my generation -- raised in the post-Vatican II era -- are struggling with the conservative backlash exemplified by people like Morlino and Burke. Herself, for instance, is a (mostly) no-nonsense Wisconsin Catholic who went to Catholic schools through college. Her contempt for clowns like Morlino is impressive. Why doesn't she leave? It's her church. She was born in it. She was educated and married in it, and she's going to die in it. She's not going anywhere. Although she may end up switching parishes when the 900-year-old liberal Irish monsignor at her parish finally steps on a rainbow and Morlino replaces him with a couple Extremadura fascists. Many of my other Catholic friends feel the same way. I think Milwaukee Catholicism is more liberal, even under conservatives like Dolan, and most of my Milwaukee friends seem relatively happy in their parishes and schools. The Madison ones are worried. Even the ones who have good priests and good parish communities for now are worried that Morlino will replace their priests with people from elsewhere who do not know about and do not care about their parish culture and traditions. Everybody seems irked about the new liturgy. Herself's criticism -- "It's a crappy, literal translation." Makes sense to me. I'm in the same place as herself. although I am close to bolting. There's a Buddhist monastery down the road (across the street from the Monsignor's old homestead, actually) and I've advised the lovely Mrs. X I might wander out there some day to take their lessons in Buddhism. At least I won't have to shave my head for it. X Other than the occasional forays into places like Bern's and excessive consumption of brown liquor, you actually lead a lifestyle that would match will with Buddhist thought and practice. And some of us have bolted. Bless the Badgers.
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SOLObucky		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2514 April 30, 2012 9:55 PM	AKA TAW wrote: He attacks people who he thinks question his sent-from-above decrees, threatens those who spread what he calls "rumors and gossip," wants a strict doctrinaire interpretation of Church rules and meanwhile goes out to lunch and feels free to drink wine and eat well. Let the "Little People" follow the rules made several centuries ago - he is a modern Bishop and modern rules are great for himself, just not anyone else. Don't even get me started on how he has treated women within the Church. So basically he's the model that the church has followed since it came to power. He's found his niche and rolling with it. As I've stated on this board, I was raised die hard Catholic and turned big time Atheist. Science will set you free. I struggled with it as an early adult, but now I consider it one of the best, most logical decisions I've made in my life. Read stuff by Hitchens, Dawkins, or Sagan and it will open your mind. Conventional religion becomes a series of brainwashing techniques, complete superstition and utter folly. But, whatever floats you boat. People should still be cool to each other. Unfortunately, seems that bishop dude isn't doing that. All too common in that church. TAW, it ain't that bad on the "Other Side" But either way, I wish you well on your journey. "When it came time to shave the cat, he got an extension cord and did it on my lawn." NumenLumen
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GopherRock		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 212 April 30, 2012 10:07 PM	Joe Hill wrote: KegStand81 wrote: Why you guys pledge allegiance to people like this, I'll never know. The short answer is that they don't. Catholics of my generation -- raised in the post-Vatican II era -- are struggling with the conservative backlash exemplified by people like Morlino and Burke. Herself, for instance, is a (mostly) no-nonsense Wisconsin Catholic who went to Catholic schools through college. Her contempt for clowns like Morlino is impressive. Why doesn't she leave? It's her church. She was born in it. She was educated and married in it, and she's going to die in it. She's not going anywhere. Although she may end up switching parishes when the 900-year-old liberal Irish monsignor at her parish finally steps on a rainbow and Morlino replaces him with a couple Extremadura fascists. Many of my other Catholic friends feel the same way. I think Milwaukee Catholicism is more liberal, even under conservatives like Dolan, and most of my Milwaukee friends seem relatively happy in their parishes and schools. The Madison ones are worried. Even the ones who have good priests and good parish communities for now are worried that Morlino will replace their priests with people from elsewhere who do not know about and do not care about their parish culture and traditions. Everybody seems irked about the new liturgy. Herself's criticism -- "It's a crappy, literal translation." Makes sense to me. Switch "Morlino" and "Burke" for John Nienstedt (sp?) and St. Paul-Minneapolis for Madison, and you have the situation that things are in here in the Twin Cities. I can't stand to go to the parish close to my house, as the priests are more concerned with their flock voting "for life" than they are actually doing the work of the church. Many of my Catholic friends in their 20s and 30s aren't having anything to do with Nienstedt's furious drive to pass the anti-gay-marriage amendment (the ink hadn't yet dried on his installation papers before he started running his mouth on the matter), and the parish I attend isn't exactly giving his lobbying a warm reception. At least Nienstedt hasn't gone for the mandatory confirmation robes yet. Edited 1 time by GopherRock April 30, 2012 10:11 PM.
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Joe Hill		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1146 April 30, 2012 11:10 PM	Remove this ad RealSectionX wrote: I'm in the same place as herself. although I am close to bolting. There's a Buddhist monastery down the road (across the street from the Monsignor's old homestead, actually) and I've advised the lovely Mrs. X I might wander out there some day to take their lessons in Buddhism. At least I won't have to shave my head for it. X A fine sentiment. My only criticism -- Herself is capitalized.
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