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MarkIt8		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1578 April 30, 2012 4:18 PM Jobu needs a refill	Remove this ad Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. So the public is too stupid to be electing school board members? No community in the entire state was smart enough to stop this without Scott Walker saving them from themselves?
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BigAppleBucky		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10776 April 30, 2012 4:18 PM	Blab of Bacon wrote: Azree33 wrote: Blab is a thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent person who understands the complexities of the issues facing education and the citizens of this state. How would you have closed the $3 billion budget deficit that Walker inherited? What should a new governor do differently? The deficit faced by Doyle two years earlier was even larger. Wisconsin's 2-year (2009) deficit forecast reaches $5.75 billion http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/38612192.html The state's budget shortfall over the next two years has grown by $346 million, to $5.75 billion, said a report released Thursday. That report from the Legislative Fiscal Bureau came out a day after Gov. Jim Doyle - without specifics - warned in his "state of the state" speech that the deficit would rise. "The numbers today should demonstrate we don't know where we're headed as a country," Doyle said at a stop in DeForest. "One of the things I have to keep very much in mind is that these are the numbers we have today and we have to be very concerned about what the numbers are, what this looks like three months from now and six months from now." Indeed, the deficit has grown by $750 million in recent months, as increasingly bad reports about the nation's economy have piled up. Sen. Mike Ellis (R-Neenah) offered an even worse assessment than the Democratic governor, saying he believed the shortfall through mid-2011 now tops $6 billion. =============== A lot of that is scare numbers based on maximum requested funds by each agency. Then the haggling begins and magically, after "draconian cuts", the budget, once again, gets balanced. Now in 2009 and again in 2011 the situations were probably a bit more dire than usual, but much of it is scare tactics. Remember when teachers, public employees, Unions, Planned Parenthood, Acorn, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? * * * Me neither.
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LumpyWideAss		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6496 April 30, 2012 4:36 PM The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking.	BigAppleBucky wrote: The deficit faced by Doyle two years earlier was even larger. I don't understand why there isn't a groundswell for Doyle to run again. That mofo had it all figured out. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
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Bucky4077		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2411 April 30, 2012 5:32 PM	Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. Far rightwing Republican politicians (Fitzwalkers)are bought and paid for by rightwing business in state and outside. 1. The state negotiates with these same businesses on hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts, for roads and other elements of the public infrastructure, thus favoring those generous businesses over alternatives that may, just may be better long term solutions. More importantly and of more lasting harm, these Fitzwalkers owned lock, stock and barrel by the WMC and the Kochs, enact legislation with far reaching implications in the best interests of these wealthy interests and in no way to the benefit of the average Joe. 2. Parties agree to use a WMC/Koch blueprint going forward, thus screwing the tax paying public out of millions, if not billions over time and certainly excluding opinions from non-WMC/Koch oriented citizens who cannot afford the reach the WMC/Kochs have. 3. WMC/Kochs use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying more politicians. 4. Rinse; repeat. "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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Blab of Bacon		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 April 30, 2012 7:24 PM Beware the milkman!	Bucky4077 wrote: Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. Far rightwing Republican politicians (Fitzwalkers)are bought and paid for by rightwing business in state and outside. 1. The state negotiates with these same businesses on hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts, for roads and other elements of the public infrastructure, thus favoring those generous businesses over alternatives that may, just may be better long term solutions. More importantly and of more lasting harm, these Fitzwalkers owned lock, stock and barrel by the WMC and the Kochs, enact legislation with far reaching implications in the best interests of these wealthy interests and in no way to the benefit of the average Joe. 2. Parties agree to use a WMC/Koch blueprint going forward, thus screwing the tax paying public out of millions, if not billions over time and certainly excluding opinions from non-WMC/Koch oriented citizens who cannot afford the reach the WMC/Kochs have. 3. WMC/Kochs use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying more politicians. 4. Rinse; repeat. Fictitious!
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badgermnc		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 836 April 30, 2012 7:33 PM	Bucky4077 wrote: Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. Far rightwing Republican politicians (Fitzwalkers)are bought and paid for by rightwing business in state and outside. 1. The state negotiates with these same businesses on hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts, for roads and other elements of the public infrastructure, thus favoring those generous businesses over alternatives that may, just may be better long term solutions. More importantly and of more lasting harm, these Fitzwalkers owned lock, stock and barrel by the WMC and the Kochs, enact legislation with far reaching implications in the best interests of these wealthy interests and in no way to the benefit of the average Joe. 2. Parties agree to use a WMC/Koch blueprint going forward, thus screwing the tax paying public out of millions, if not billions over time and certainly excluding opinions from non-WMC/Koch oriented citizens who cannot afford the reach the WMC/Kochs have. 3. WMC/Kochs use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying more politicians. 4. Rinse; repeat. The funny thing is that you are making all of this up about Walker yet Kathleen Falk actually IS bought and paid for. Nice try.
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BigAppleBucky		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10776 April 30, 2012 10:58 PM	badgermnc wrote: The funny thing is that you are making all of this up about Walker yet Kathleen Falk actually IS bought and paid for. Nice try. How many millions of contributions has she received from anyone, let alone Texas and New York billionaires? Even if she wins the nomination, I guess her total ad buys in the state won't match the $4million+ that Walker has already aired. Edit: WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) pulled in $13 million in the most recent three-month reporting period to fight off a Democratic attempt to recall him from office, an unprecedented sum of money for a gubernatorial race in the state. Walker's campaign announced on Monday that it has raised a total of $25 million since Jan. 1, 2011. It now has nearly $4.8 million on hand for recall and general election funds. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/30/scott-walker-recall-fundraising-13-million_n_1465794.html And those are just the above board contributions. Counting the Super Secret Pacs it has to be more than double that. Remember when teachers, public employees, Unions, Planned Parenthood, Acorn, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? * * * Me neither. Edited 1 time by BigAppleBucky April 30, 2012 11:16 PM.
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Azree33		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10079 April 30, 2012 11:04 PM The Wizard of Az "I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a 17 year old female. I love Maroon 5. Adam Lambert makes me sweat. Pete Wentz is the shizzle. Shit. Gave it away with "shizzle," didn't I?"	Walker raises $13 million, Falk & Barrett combined less than 2.5 (another 4.5 mil spent by other sources): http://host.madison.com/w...1-884f-001a4bcf887a.html Who's being delusional? "Union power" my ass. Oh, and then there's this: A State Journal analysis found that of the 43 donors who gave Walker more than $10,000 or more, only 16 reported living in Wisconsin, and those 43 large donors gave Walker about $2.5 million. And Walker raised $8,376,195 from out-of-state donors, with some 74 percent of his individual donors coming from out of state. Out of state protesters and union thugs? Uh huh. -------------- Let no man think we can deny civil liberty to others and retain it for ourselves.
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BB Fran		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7374 April 30, 2012 11:12 PM *Moral fibre? Why, you little pasty-face...I invented* moral fibre!**	Walker is a willing puppet of big money ideologues, mostly out-of-state. He's the canary in the mineshaft for the new orthodoxy and they will spend whatever it takes to rescue him from recall. This is what the recall organizers never fully appreciated -- it would never be a fair fight. It simply couldn't be. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the recall forces had coalesced early around a viable candidate it would have helped. They didn't, and whoever wins the dem nomination now (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. The money onslaught from Walker's masters will simply be overwhelming. - "What the heck; it's just life. It unfolds right in front of you." -- Bo Ryan
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yanked		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17408 April 30, 2012 11:21 PM	Remove this ad Now you guys know how the Gophers must feel As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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LumpyWideAss		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6496 April 30, 2012 11:24 PM The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking.	BB Fran wrote: (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. I assume you are directing that comment at Chisholm. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
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badgermnc		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 836 May 1, 2012 12:02 AM	BB Fran wrote: Walker is a willing puppet of big money ideologues, mostly out-of-state. He's the canary in the mineshaft for the new orthodoxy and they will spend whatever it takes to rescue him from recall. This is what the recall organizers never fully appreciated -- it would never be a fair fight. It simply couldn't be. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the recall forces had coalesced early around a viable candidate it would have helped. They didn't, and whoever wins the dem nomination now (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. The money onslaught from Walker's masters will simply be overwhelming. The truth, of course, is that you have no basis for any of these accusations. It's really just a paragraph describing your coping mechanisms for a probable loss in the recall.
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LeviBooth		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10855 May 1, 2012 12:42 AM	badgermnc wrote: BB Fran wrote: Walker is a willing puppet of big money ideologues, mostly out-of-state. He's the canary in the mineshaft for the new orthodoxy and they will spend whatever it takes to rescue him from recall. This is what the recall organizers never fully appreciated -- it would never be a fair fight. It simply couldn't be. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the recall forces had coalesced early around a viable candidate it would have helped. They didn't, and whoever wins the dem nomination now (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. The money onslaught from Walker's masters will simply be overwhelming. The truth, of course, is that you have no basis for any of these accusations. It's really just a paragraph describing your coping mechanisms for a probable loss in the recall. That, or you could read Azree's post directly preceding it, which provides the exact basis for his 'accusations', aka facts.
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ThisCharmingFan		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13585 May 1, 2012 12:48 AM The disputatious one	badgermnc wrote: BB Fran wrote: Walker is a willing puppet of big money ideologues, mostly out-of-state. He's the canary in the mineshaft for the new orthodoxy and they will spend whatever it takes to rescue him from recall. This is what the recall organizers never fully appreciated -- it would never be a fair fight. It simply couldn't be. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the recall forces had coalesced early around a viable candidate it would have helped. They didn't, and whoever wins the dem nomination now (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. The money onslaught from Walker's masters will simply be overwhelming. The truth, of course, is that you have no basis for any of these accusations. It's really just a paragraph describing your coping mechanisms for a probable loss in the recall. When did Candide start posting on this board. I haven't read as many shockingly naive posts since the Anne Frank diary. I can only hope you are a teenager.
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Bucky4077		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2411 May 1, 2012 5:44 AM	Blab of Bacon wrote: Bucky4077 wrote: Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. Far rightwing Republican politicians (Fitzwalkers)are bought and paid for by rightwing business in state and outside. 1. The state negotiates with these same businesses on hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts, for roads and other elements of the public infrastructure, thus favoring those generous businesses over alternatives that may, just may be better long term solutions. More importantly and of more lasting harm, these Fitzwalkers owned lock, stock and barrel by the WMC and the Kochs, enact legislation with far reaching implications in the best interests of these wealthy interests and in no way to the benefit of the average Joe. 2. Parties agree to use a WMC/Koch blueprint going forward, thus screwing the tax paying public out of millions, if not billions over time and certainly excluding opinions from non-WMC/Koch oriented citizens who cannot afford the reach the WMC/Kochs have. 3. WMC/Kochs use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying more politicians. 4. Rinse; repeat. Fictitious! Fact! Walker owes out of state millionaires and a few billionaires big time. If Walker wins the recall, these extreme rightwingers will come calling looking for some payback, mainly in the form of an extremist social agenda that doesn't conform to Wisconsin's values. You rightwingers screamed like babies when a few out of state supporters joined Wisconsinites a year ago February. Then out-of-state support=bad; today=good. From today's madison.com: "A State Journal analysis found that of the 43 donors who gave Walker more than $10,000 or more, only 16 reported living in Wisconsin, and those 43 large donors gave Walker about $2.5 million. And Walker raised $8,376,195 from out-of-state donors, with some 74 percent of his individual donors coming from out of state. Large Walker donors outside Wisconsin included school voucher advocate Richard M. DeVos (4077:DeVos will expect more voucher/corporate schools in Wisconsin in return for his "generoisity", with less competition from the public sector of course), billionaire owner of the Orlando Magic and the co-founder of the direct sales marketing company Amway; and Sheldon Adelson, billionaire CEO of the Las Vegas Sands who has given tens of millions to the super PAC supporting presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. Both men gave $250,000. Another billionaire, Warren Stephens, an investment banker and conservative financier, donated $100,000." Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/walker-reports-raising-million-in-most-recent-filing-period/article_87df67da-9308-11e1-884f-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1tc5zltR6 "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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Blab of Bacon		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 May 1, 2012 6:40 AM Beware the milkman!	Bucky4077 wrote: Blab of Bacon wrote: Bucky4077 wrote: Blab of Bacon wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: ToddPacker wrote: Restoring collective bargaining rights while maintaining the contribution levels would be disastrous. As soon as collective bargaining is restored, if it ever is, unions will demand that their health insurance go through WEA Trust and they will gouge the taxpayers. and the school board elected by the taxpayers would do what? The school boards are bought and paid for by the teachers unions. 1. Teachers negotiate with school board. 2. Parties agree to use WEA Trust for health benefits, which overcharges the taxpayer by millions of dollars. 3. Unions use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying school board members. 4. Go back to #1. Sadly, average Joe Public doesn't get worked up over school board elections. But the unions spend money for name recognition and the union members get out the vote. Teachers and unions have a lot to gain in those elections and make them a priority. Most taxpayers think they have something better to do. The old system of allowing liberals to negotiate against themselves with our money was corrupt. It's all becoming more apparent now, as the schools are better off thanks to Walker. Far rightwing Republican politicians (Fitzwalkers)are bought and paid for by rightwing business in state and outside. 1. The state negotiates with these same businesses on hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts, for roads and other elements of the public infrastructure, thus favoring those generous businesses over alternatives that may, just may be better long term solutions. More importantly and of more lasting harm, these Fitzwalkers owned lock, stock and barrel by the WMC and the Kochs, enact legislation with far reaching implications in the best interests of these wealthy interests and in no way to the benefit of the average Joe. 2. Parties agree to use a WMC/Koch blueprint going forward, thus screwing the tax paying public out of millions, if not billions over time and certainly excluding opinions from non-WMC/Koch oriented citizens who cannot afford the reach the WMC/Kochs have. 3. WMC/Kochs use that undeserved windfall to spend money buying more politicians. 4. Rinse; repeat. Fictitious! Fact! Walker owes out of state millionaires and a few billionaires big time. If Walker wins the recall, these extreme rightwingers will come calling looking for some payback, mainly in the form of an extremist social agenda that doesn't conform to Wisconsin's values. You rightwingers screamed like babies when a few out of state supporters joined Wisconsinites a year ago February. Then out-of-state support=bad; today=good. From today's madison.com: "A State Journal analysis found that of the 43 donors who gave Walker more than $10,000 or more, only 16 reported living in Wisconsin, and those 43 large donors gave Walker about $2.5 million. And Walker raised $8,376,195 from out-of-state donors, with some 74 percent of his individual donors coming from out of state. Large Walker donors outside Wisconsin included school voucher advocate Richard M. DeVos (4077:DeVos will expect more voucher/corporate schools in Wisconsin in return for his "generoisity", with less competition from the public sector of course), billionaire owner of the Orlando Magic and the co-founder of the direct sales marketing company Amway; and Sheldon Adelson, billionaire CEO of the Las Vegas Sands who has given tens of millions to the super PAC supporting presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. Both men gave $250,000. Another billionaire, Warren Stephens, an investment banker and conservative financier, donated $100,000." Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/walker-reports-raising-million-in-most-recent-filing-period/article_87df67da-9308-11e1-884f-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1tc5zltR6 If if if if if if if if if. Fictitious!
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Blab of Bacon		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 May 1, 2012 6:41 AM Beware the milkman!	badgermnc wrote: BB Fran wrote: Walker is a willing puppet of big money ideologues, mostly out-of-state. He's the canary in the mineshaft for the new orthodoxy and they will spend whatever it takes to rescue him from recall. This is what the recall organizers never fully appreciated -- it would never be a fair fight. It simply couldn't be. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the recall forces had coalesced early around a viable candidate it would have helped. They didn't, and whoever wins the dem nomination now (Barrett, presumably) will need unexpected good luck to have any chance. The money onslaught from Walker's masters will simply be overwhelming. The truth, of course, is that you have no basis for any of these accusations. It's really just a paragraph describing your coping mechanisms for a probable loss in the recall. You have to excuse Fran. He is a democrat. Democrats think pay-for-play is how it works. That is why he and others expect Walker to owe favors to people. They don't realize that pay-for-play is simply how democrats work.
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UncleEd2007		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7558 May 1, 2012 6:50 AM	Why do we need collective bargaining? Ben Brust - Refuse to lose!!
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Blab of Bacon		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 May 1, 2012 6:54 AM Beware the milkman!	Remove this ad UncleEd2007 wrote: Why do we need collective bargaining? May I? Because when public employees collectively bargain they are able to circumvent the taxpayer's wishes in the dark of night. That is how the democrat party fleeces the taxpayer and fills their campaign coffers.
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