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Posts: 12769 May 16, 2012 12:02 PM I've paid for bottle service	Remove this ad http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7L_dWbDhPQ
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badgerjon66		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3499 May 16, 2012 12:43 PM	It is interesting and even more so is one detail ABC neglected---that Martin's knuckles were bruised. http://www.foxnews.com/us...in-suffered-injuries-to/ We still don't know what happened and probably never will, but we do know that we have been mislead by the press and the race hustlers. Interesting that the story dropped from constant front-page coverage to nothing. Maybe when they found out this info was comming
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BigAppleBucky		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10759 May 16, 2012 2:50 PM	If Zim's head was split, you must acquit! Edit: Problems (many) with the police investigation: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?hp ¶ On the night of the shooting, door-to-door canvassing was not exhaustive enough, said a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation. If officers had been more thorough, they might have determined that Mr. Martin, 17, was a guest — as opposed to an intruder — at a gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. That would have been an important part of the subjective analysis that night by officers sizing up Mr. Zimmerman’s story. Investigators found no witnesses who saw the fight start. Others saw parts of a struggle they could not clearly observe or hear. One witness, though, provided information to the police that corroborated Mr. Zimmerman’s account of the struggle, according to a law enforcement official. ¶ The police took only one photo at the scene of any of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries — a full-face picture of him that showed a bloodied nose — before paramedics tended to him. It was shot on a department cellphone camera and was not downloaded for a few days, an oversight by the officer who took it. ¶ The vehicle that Mr. Zimmerman was driving when he first spotted Mr. Martin was mistakenly not secured by officers as part of the crime scene. The vehicle was an important link in the fatal encounter because it was where Mr. Zimmerman called the police to report a suspicious teenager in a hooded sweatshirt roaming through the Retreat. Mr. Zimmerman also said he was walking back to the vehicle when he was confronted by Mr. Martin, who was unarmed, before shooting him. ¶ The police were not able to cover the crime scene to shield evidence from the rain, and any blood from cuts that Mr. Zimmerman suffered when he said Mr. Martin pounded his head into a sidewalk may have been washed away. ¶ The police did not test Mr. Zimmerman for alcohol or drug use that night, and one witness said the lead investigator quickly jumped to a conclusion that it was Mr. Zimmerman, and not Mr. Martin, who cried for help during the struggle. - Long article at the link Remember when teachers, public employees, Unions, Planned Parenthood, Acorn, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? * * * Me neither. Edited 1 time by BigAppleBucky May 17, 2012 6:30 AM.
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ThisCharmingFan		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13556 May 16, 2012 3:48 PM The disputatious one	badgerjon66 wrote: . Interesting that the story dropped from constant front-page coverage to nothing. Maybe when they found out this info was comming Maybe because there was nothing to report until this came out. What exactly should they be writing about? Trayvon is dead. Zim isn't talking. What does the fact that Fox didn't report that Zim was on prescription meds and had no concussion tell you Jon? Edited 1 time by ThisCharmingFan May 16, 2012 3:59 PM.
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sackman86		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3383 May 16, 2012 3:58 PM	It does point to something that I said at the time when so many here were ready to convict. This was a confusing situation in which there were many facts in doubt. I never understood, either way, how people were ready to convict or acquit on very unclear evidence. I also continue to believe that Zimmerman handled the aftermath of this wisely by disappearing and shutting up.
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Bucky4077		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2408 May 16, 2012 4:12 PM	I don't know anything more than anyone else on this board about what really happened. Zimmerman's alleged injuries may some day be seen as evidence that the unarmed Martin fought valiantly for his life against a gun wielding vigilante. Then again maybe the last word will be Zimmerman's and that will be the unarmed Martin made a very foolish decision. But I think in the end it will be like the old saying goes..the first liar never stands a chance. Martin may have been standing his ground, but only Zim is around to say otherwise. "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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MarkIt8		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1578 May 16, 2012 4:57 PM Jobu needs a refill	All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions.
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Bobadger		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1461 May 16, 2012 5:15 PM	MarkIt8 wrote: All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions. What we know is that Martin had two injuries. His knuckles and the gunshot wound. Zimmerman also had two injuries, a broken nose and lacerations in the back of his head. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the most likely scenario that lead to that combination of injuries. WTF conclusion are you talking about that is "hard not to jump to"?
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yanked		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17381 May 16, 2012 5:23 PM	Looking more and more like the prosecutor had it right from the get-go and all the naysayers were just wetting the bed over nothing. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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ThisCharmingFan		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13556 May 16, 2012 5:52 PM The disputatious one	We get it, bo. The WMDs are in Syria.
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Bucky4077		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2408 May 16, 2012 6:08 PM	Remove this ad Bobadger wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions. What we know is that Martin had two injuries. His knuckles and the gunshot wound. Zimmerman also had two injuries, a broken nose and lacerations in the back of his head. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the most likely scenario that lead to that combination of injuries. WTF conclusion are you talking about that is "hard not to jump to"? That Martin fought for his life with the only weapon he had against an armed man accosting him, his fists? If an armed man accosted you Bob, what would you do? Lay down or "stand your ground" with the only weapon you have available to you? "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11 Edited 1 time by Bucky4077 May 16, 2012 6:11 PM.
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sackman86		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3383 May 16, 2012 6:16 PM	Bucky4077 wrote: Bobadger wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions. What we know is that Martin had two injuries. His knuckles and the gunshot wound. Zimmerman also had two injuries, a broken nose and lacerations in the back of his head. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the most likely scenario that lead to that combination of injuries. WTF conclusion are you talking about that is "hard not to jump to"? That Martin fought for his life with the only weapon he had against an armed man accosting him, his fists? If an armed man accosted you Bob, what would you do? Lay down or "stand your ground" with the only weapon you have available to you? This is precisely the problem, Bucky4077. What EVIDENCE do you have that Zimmerman accosted him? Followed him when he shouldn't have. O.k. But we still don't know exactly who initiated the physical altercation. No one at this point has enough to say who accosted who.
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bhambadger		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8303 May 16, 2012 6:26 PM pussycraptacular	sackman86 wrote: Bucky4077 wrote: Bobadger wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions. What we know is that Martin had two injuries. His knuckles and the gunshot wound. Zimmerman also had two injuries, a broken nose and lacerations in the back of his head. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the most likely scenario that lead to that combination of injuries. WTF conclusion are you talking about that is "hard not to jump to"? That Martin fought for his life with the only weapon he had against an armed man accosting him, his fists? If an armed man accosted you Bob, what would you do? Lay down or "stand your ground" with the only weapon you have available to you? This is precisely the problem, Bucky4077. What EVIDENCE do you have that Zimmerman accosted him? Followed him when he shouldn't have. O.k. But we still don't know exactly who initiated the physical altercation. No one at this point has enough to say who accosted who. Had Zimmerman heeded the advice of the 911 operator there never would have been a confrontation between the two. He initiated the altercation at that point. People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.
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yanked		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17381 May 16, 2012 6:26 PM	Bucky4077 wrote: That Martin fought for his life with the only weapon he had against an armed man accosting him, his fists? If an armed man accosted you Bob, what would you do? Lay down or "stand your ground" with what weapon you have available to you? So, the attacker used his face to beat the victims knuckles? Trayvon Martin was the aggressor, period. Zimmy Zimmy Go-Go Pop used bad judgement in approaching this violent criminal on behalf of the innocent homeowners in Sanford, FL. Zimmy committed no crime, Trayvon did and paid the ultimate price. So, back to where I was on the very first day.....the prosecutor had the evidence and got it right. The pants pissers were wrong. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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badgerjon66		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3499 May 16, 2012 7:04 PM	"What does the fact that Fox didn't report that Zim was on prescription meds and had no concussion tell you Jon? " Absolutely nothing.
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Buddj4		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6787 May 16, 2012 10:48 PM "I too, have never experienced a "meat raffle". I'm thinking about bringing the concept to Texas."	bhambadger wrote: sackman86 wrote: Bucky4077 wrote: Bobadger wrote: MarkIt8 wrote: All we know is that Martin wasn't bothering anybody, Zimmerman started following him against the wishes of the police, a fight broke out, and Zimmerman shot Martin. Its kind of hard not to jump to conclusions. What we know is that Martin had two injuries. His knuckles and the gunshot wound. Zimmerman also had two injuries, a broken nose and lacerations in the back of his head. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the most likely scenario that lead to that combination of injuries. WTF conclusion are you talking about that is "hard not to jump to"? That Martin fought for his life with the only weapon he had against an armed man accosting him, his fists? If an armed man accosted you Bob, what would you do? Lay down or "stand your ground" with the only weapon you have available to you? This is precisely the problem, Bucky4077. What EVIDENCE do you have that Zimmerman accosted him? Followed him when he shouldn't have. O.k. But we still don't know exactly who initiated the physical altercation. No one at this point has enough to say who accosted who. Had Zimmerman heeded the advice of the 911 operator there never would have been a confrontation between the two. He initiated the altercation at that point. Agreed. But I'm not sure if that warrants him not being able to defend himself once the tables were turned. This is a tough one and we will probably never know what really happened. You keep track of the days that you DO drink? Monsignor If you're drinking because your life is awesome, then you're doing the right thing. TheHeb
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ThisCharmingFan		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13556 May 17, 2012 12:34 AM The disputatious one	badgerjon66 wrote: "What does the fact that Fox didn't report that Zim was on prescription meds and had no concussion tell you Jon? " Absolutely nothing. Oh, so now medicatioin isn't relevant. Zim said his head was being bashed into the ground. Kinda hard to not have a concussion. Kinda funny that someone who's head was bashed in would avoid further medical treatment.
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ryebadger		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5129 May 17, 2012 9:58 AM	This thread is hilarious. A report comes out that changes nothing and the usual suspects are jumping up and down saying "I told you so!" (expect Jon who attacks the media for a change). Didn't we already know there was a fight and Martin hit Zimmerman? Wasn't the debate over how that transpired, and whether Martin was defending himself or just attacked Zimmerman? His nose was broken and he had head lacerations. We knew that. Now Martin's knuckles were bruised. So what? Some of you have a disturbing ability to live in ignorance. Bobadger, the other plausible scenarios have been pointed out to you about a dozen times. The fact you still haven't grasped it says quite a lot about your intellect. That argument you just made about the respective injuries telling the story here is so stupid and shallow I can only assume it's disingenuous. You seem to think your subjective conclusions count as factual logic. They do not. There is no reasonable scenario I can think of that would cause a kid we know was scared and trying to flee to attack the guy following him, unless he was accosted with a gun and had to fight for his life. There, I just made the same argument Bobadger had made about 50 times. Don't bother pointing out the myriad alternative scenarios. They don't exist in my world so I'll just repost my conclusion. Of course the main point continues to be the DA was able to look into the future and read this medical report before it existed, like it did with about 99% of the evidence, to solve this case before Martin's body was cold. Zimmerman refused medical attention that night, all of which was irrelevant to a psychic DA that foresaw Zimmerman marching into his doctor's office the next day to be diagnosed with these injuries. Silly mortals! The DA must mock us for not having The Gift. He knew what happened almost three months ago based upon no evidence while the rest of the world still doesn't know what happened despite having a lot of it. I wonder if he can bend spoons with his mind, too. Somebody should give this DA a raise. Or check his garage for a stranglely modified DeLorean. As always, this post is written with the express proviso that I am not a chicken little. The sky is not falling. My office window does not have a ledge. I'm happy we won. I heard some ranked teams even lost. I'm glad we are not Virginia Tech. I like our coach. I know these are 19 year old kids. The season is young. Mistakes will get cleaned up. Fowler said even Alabama threw an interception once. The other guys are on scholarship, too. After living through the Don morton era, I'm just glad to be here.
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Pointerpride102.muskieville		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8670 May 17, 2012 10:04 AM Stalker of ThisCharmingFan	What is medicatioin? I think those who openly care about others spelling and grammar should be held to a higher standard.
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Bobadger		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1461 May 17, 2012 10:51 AM	ryebadger wrote: This thread is hilarious. A report comes out that changes nothing and the usual suspects are jumping up and down saying "I told you so!" (expect Jon who attacks the media for a change). Didn't we already know there was a fight and Martin hit Zimmerman? Wasn't the debate over how that transpired, and whether Martin was defending himself or just attacked Zimmerman? His nose was broken and he had head lacerations. We knew that. Now Martin's knuckles were bruised. So what? Some of you have a disturbing ability to live in ignorance. Bobadger, the other plausible scenarios have been pointed out to you about a dozen times. The fact you still haven't grasped it says quite a lot about your intellect. That argument you just made about the respective injuries telling the story here is so stupid and shallow I can only assume it's disingenuous. You seem to think your subjective conclusions count as factual logic. They do not. There is no reasonable scenario I can think of that would cause a kid we know was scared and trying to flee to attack the guy following him, unless he was accosted with a gun and had to fight for his life. There, I just made the same argument Bobadger had made about 50 times. Don't bother pointing out the myriad alternative scenarios. They don't exist in my world so I'll just repost my conclusion. Of course the main point continues to be the DA was able to look into the future and read this medical report before it existed, like it did with about 99% of the evidence, to solve this case before Martin's body was cold. Zimmerman refused medical attention that night, all of which was irrelevant to a psychic DA that foresaw Zimmerman marching into his doctor's office the next day to be diagnosed with these injuries. Silly mortals! The DA must mock us for not having The Gift. He knew what happened almost three months ago based upon no evidence while the rest of the world still doesn't know what happened despite having a lot of it. I wonder if he can bend spoons with his mind, too. Somebody should give this DA a raise. Or check his garage for a stranglely modified DeLorean. There is one probable cause to the injuries mentioned. I wouldn't even call other scenarios plausible, possible sure, but not plausible. No one yet has given me a plausible scenario which would result in these injuries. Yours is horribly implausible. And are you really that blind? The officers on the ground saw Zimmerman's injuries. They didn't need a medical report to see a broken nose and a bloody back of the head.
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Bobadger		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1461 May 17, 2012 10:54 AM	Remove this ad Pointerpride102 wrote: What is medicatioin? I think those who openly care about others spelling and grammar should be held to a higher standard. You forgot to add that "kinda" is not a word, along with the use of who's instead of the correct, whose. But, who's counting? (See, that is the proper usage of "who's" TCF).
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