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Slimm21	Could Somebody sum up Fast and Furious and this Executive Order		Lead	[-]
Posts: 12782 June 21, 2012 11:29 AM I've paid for bottle service	Tags : None Remove this ad In one or two short paragraphs. I tried to watch it on TV and got bored and tried to read an article and couldn't follow. Thanks
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DCBadger7		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 June 21, 2012 12:56 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Vin Diesel leads a band of freewheeling car thieves who revel in thumbing their noses at the law. The dude who plays the star QB in Varsity Blues (not Dawson Creek guy, the other guy) plays an FBI agent sent undercover to bust up the merry band. But the more QB guy comes to know Vin and his band of friends, the harder it is for him to do his job. Loyalties divide and the culmination is a tremendous drag race scene where Vin and Varsity Blues QB compete to see whose car can get crushed by a train first. Vin wins, so of course Mr. FBI QB gives Vin the keys to his pimped out Toyota Celica in a bold display of friendship that costs FBI QB guy his job. So the Executive Order states you can't make shitty movies like this anymore unless Michelle Rodriguez (Vin's GF in the movie) and Jordana Brewster (Vin's sister in the movie) both show their boobies on screen. Of course, the backlash stems from this incredibly intrusive act by an imperial presidency because everyone knows the only part of Hollywood that supports the GOP is the shitty part that produces movies like this; the 'good' part of Hollywood (the part that wins all the awards and such) obviously gives truckloads of cash to Obama. That, and everyone knows both Rodriguez and Brewster have too much artistic integrity to show their boobies onscreen, making this an impossible obstacle for the GOP. We're talking many layers of drama and intrigue here. If you need to know more, I think there's a documentary available on Netflix. EDIT: to fix a spelling error. Edited 1 time by DCBadger7 June 21, 2012 1:49 PM.
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PBRmeASAP		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3764 June 21, 2012 1:03 PM Heineken!?! Fuck that shit! PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!	DCBadger7 wrote: Vin Diesel leads a band of freewheeling car thieves who revel in thumbing their noses at the law. The dude who plays the star QB in Varsity Blues (not Dawson Creek guy, the other guy) plays an FBI agent sent undercover to bust up the merry band. But the more QB guy comes to know Vin and his band of friends, the harder it is for him to do his job. Loyalties divide and the culmination is a tremendous drag race scene where Vin and Varsity Blues QB compete to see whose car can get crushed by a train first. Vin wins, so of course Mr. FBI QB gives Vin the keys to his pimped out Toyota Celica in a bold display of friendship that costs FBI QB guy his job. So the Executive Order states you can't make shitty movies like this anymore unless Michelle Rodriguez (Vin's GF in the movie) and Jordana Brewster (Vin's sister in the movie) both show their boobies on screen. Of course, the backlash stems from this incredibly intrusive act by an imperial presidency because everyone knows the only part of Hollywood that supports the GOP is the shitty part that produces movies like this; the 'good' part of Hollywood (the part that wins all the awards and such) obviously gives buckloads of cash to Obama. That, and everyone knows both Rodriguez and Brewster have too much artistic integrity to show their boobies onscreen, making this an impossible obstacle for the GOP. We're talking many layers of drama and intrigue here. If you need to know more, I think there's a documentary available on Netflix. It's an absolute paradox. The bacon must have been finished, thus disallowing the possibility of 'leftover'. And yet, were that impossibility to occur, surely it would be good. -LeviBooth
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Timster96		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10000 June 21, 2012 1:06 PM Loudmouth Bastard "Cold pizza is for assholes. If the delivery guy brought it cold, you'd kick him in the fucking nuts."	Thanks, DCB! For the first time, I feel like I understand the issue.
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Slimm21		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12782 June 21, 2012 2:00 PM I've paid for bottle service	HAHA...that was really good.
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Bucky4077		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2414 June 21, 2012 2:56 PM	Slimm21 wrote: In one or two short paragraphs. I tried to watch it on TV and got bored and tried to read an article and couldn't follow. Thanks In two paragraphs, though it's more complicated than I'll make it.: Fast and Furious began in the Bush administration and continued under Obama. The US allows automatic weapons, up to and including 50 cals, to cross the border into Mexico. The theory was these weapons would find their way into the hands of drug cartels and lead the police (ours and Mexico's) to these bad guys who would then be arrested. Problem was these guns were used to kill US agents and assassinate Mexican good guys. The House Republicans feel Attny Gen Holder is in contempt by holding out on their demand for Justice Dept records. He's only turned over 7,000 pages thus far. The Executive Order permits kids of illegals, born in the US or who came here as babies and who have not committed any crimes, to stay, through in-action on the part of the authorities. Essentially the Obama Admin has lowered the priority of identifying and deporting these kids to a level such that they effectively can stay as long as they contribute positively to our society. The order isn't permanent, and sunsets in just a few years. Clearly an evil, abusive and despotic action by King Obama. "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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LumpyWideAss		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6504 June 21, 2012 3:01 PM The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking.	Bucky4077 wrote: Fast and Furious began in the Bush administration If anything in the requested documents make the Bush administration look bad, BO wouldn't be claiming privilege, he'd be faxing them to the NY Times. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
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Slimm21		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12782 June 21, 2012 3:08 PM I've paid for bottle service	I thought there was some sort of Executive order in regards to Holder and/or Fast and Furious?
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DCBadger7		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10461 June 21, 2012 3:08 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Bucky4077 wrote: Slimm21 wrote: In one or two short paragraphs. I tried to watch it on TV and got bored and tried to read an article and couldn't follow. Thanks In two paragraphs, though it's more complicated than I'll make it.: Fast and Furious began in the Bush administration and continued under Obama. The US allows automatic weapons, up to and including 50 cals, to cross the border into Mexico. The theory was these weapons would find their way into the hands of drug cartels and lead the police (ours and Mexico's) to these bad guys who would then be arrested. Problem was these guns were used to kill US agents and assassinate Mexican good guys. The House Republicans feel Attny Gen Holder is in contempt by holding out on their demand for Justice Dept records. He's only turned over 7,000 pages thus far. The Executive Order permits kids of illegals, born in the US or who came here as babies and who have not committed any crimes, to stay, through in-action on the part of the authorities. Essentially the Obama Admin has lowered the priority of identifying and deporting these kids to a level such that they effectively can stay as long as they contribute positively to our society. The order isn't permanent, and sunsets in just a few years. Clearly an evil, abusive and despotic action by King Obama. Who invited the serious guy?
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yanked		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17418 June 21, 2012 3:13 PM	Bucky4077 wrote: Slimm21 wrote: In one or two short paragraphs. I tried to watch it on TV and got bored and tried to read an article and couldn't follow. Thanks In two paragraphs, though it's more complicated than I'll make it.: Fast and Furious began in the Bush administration and continued under Obama. The US allows automatic weapons, up to and including 50 cals, to cross the border into Mexico. The theory was these weapons would find their way into the hands of drug cartels and lead the police (ours and Mexico's) to these bad guys who would then be arrested. Problem was these guns were used to kill US agents and assassinate Mexican good guys. The House Republicans feel Attny Gen Holder is in contempt by holding out on their demand for Justice Dept records. He's only turned over 7,000 pages thus far. The Executive Order permits kids of illegals, born in the US or who came here as babies and who have not committed any crimes, to stay, through in-action on the part of the authorities. Essentially the Obama Admin has lowered the priority of identifying and deporting these kids to a level such that they effectively can stay as long as they contribute positively to our society. The order isn't permanent, and sunsets in just a few years. Clearly an evil, abusive and despotic action by King Obama. Fast and Furious started under the Obama Admin. Similar programs were run under the Bush Admin, no federal agents were killed during operation wide receiver, it is unknown is Mexican nationals were killed. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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badgerjon66		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3500 June 21, 2012 9:18 PM	Remove this ad It can't be done in a couple para's, but here dhttp://www.americanthinke...rious_falling_apart.html is a decent summary: It had no connection at all to any Bush admin. program, which Holder once claimed but has now retracted. There is credible evidence it was all politically motivated to build public support for further restrictions on US gun sales. Obama has claimed he never knew about it but executive privilege applies only to his involvement. Go figure. It is a pretty complicated story and now the mystery is what Obama is trying to keep hidden til after the election. This http://blogs.telegraph.co...sident-obamas-watergate/ clearly summarizes part of the story.
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Myles Long		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15753 June 21, 2012 9:32 PM	badgerjon66 wrote: It can't be done in a couple para's, but here dhttp://www.americanthinke...rious_falling_apart.html is a decent summary: It had no connection at all to any Bush admin. program, which Holder once claimed but has now retracted. There is credible evidence it was all politically motivated to build public support for further restrictions on US gun sales. Obama has claimed he never knew about it but executive privilege applies only to his involvement. Go figure. It is a pretty complicated story and now the mystery is what Obama is trying to keep hidden til after the election. This http://blogs.telegraph.co...sident-obamas-watergate/ clearly summarizes part of the story. This is wrong. It applies to the Executive Branch. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.' President Muffley --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Badger Sports Photos Older Tailgate/Bowl Trip Photos
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usajb		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1378 June 21, 2012 9:47 PM "Southfew should turn over the moderating of the board to johnnysouthcarolinafootball."	So it is all a plot to increase gun control measures?????????�
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BigAppleBucky	Wingnuts think it was a plot to end the 2nd amendment	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10783 June 22, 2012 11:16 AM	Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy I love to mock conspiracy theories as much as the next person, but this one is so totally off the wall, it's scary rather than just funny. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/issa-peddled-conspiracy-theory-nra-convention-called-fast-and-furious-attack-2nd-amendment Issa Peddled Conspiracy Theory at NRA Convention, Called Fast and Furious an Attack on the 2nd Amendment (VIDEO) Submitted by Josh Glasstetter on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 3:50pm Rep. Darrell Issa, Republican chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, spoke at the NRA’s mid-April national convention in St. Louis and appeared on NRA News’ Cam & Company to discuss Fast and Furious. News coverage of the convention focused on the extreme rhetoric of NRA board member Ted Nugent, but Issa made some rather explosive comments of his own. Fast and Furious was launched under the Bush administration, and continued by the Obama administration, to investigate and undermine the smuggling of guns from the US to Mexico by drug cartels. However, the government lost track of many of the guns sold through the program, and some were connected to the murders of Mexican citizens and a US federal agent. Issa thinks he knows why. Issa, speaking to the NRA faithful, advanced the baseless and reckless conspiracy theory that the Obama administration intentionally lost track of guns sold through the program in order to boost gun violence and clear the way for an assault weapons ban. Issa posed this as a rhetorical question and then answered it: They've never answered the question, "What were they thinking of?" Could it be that what they really were thinking of was in fact to use this walking of guns in order to promote an assault weapons ban. Many think so. And they haven't come up with an explanation that would cause any of us not to agree. Later in the interview, Issa suggested that the Obama administration let people die in order to promote gun control and then described Fast and Furious explicitly as part of a larger assault on the Second Amendment: We have to expect law enforcement to hold us accountable under fair laws but also hold the bad guys accountable rather than allowing bad things to happen and justifying new laws against law-abiding citizens. […] This administration has trampled on the Constitution, on the First Amendment, on religious rights, and if you don’t think that this Fast and Furious and things like it are the beginning of an attack in the second term on the Second Amendment, you really haven’t evaluated this president. Republicans apparently love government so much they're buying it.
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BigAppleBucky	Another gullible Republican fool	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10783 June 22, 2012 11:28 AM	http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/republican_mica_latches_onto_conspiracy_abou.php Ryan J. Reilly June 18, 2012, 1:45 PM 5172 House Oversight Committee member Rep. John Mica (R-FL) took to Fox News last week to promote the conspiracy theory that the Obama administration had ATF agents let guns “walk” during Operation Fast and Furious in an effort to boost political will for enacting gun control. Mica’s comments came a few days before Wednesday’s scheduled vote on a resolution holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, though there are signs the matter could be settled and the vote delayed. “People forget how all of this started. This administration is a gun-control administration. They tried to put the violence in Mexico on the blame of the United States. So they concocted this scheme and actually sending our federal agents, sending guns down there, and trying to cook some little deal to say that we have got to get more guns under control,” Mica said, a theory that is supported by absolutely zero evidence. “That’s how this all started.” The list of Republicans who have promoted the conspiracy theory includes Reps. Trent Franks, Blake Farenthold, Joe Walsh and Dan Lungren. The only regulation enacted to combat gun trafficking during the Obama administration is a measure which treats the so-called “long guns” preferred by Mexican drug cartels the same way as handguns are treated in four border states. Gun dealers in those four states are required to report sales of two or more weapons to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Documents obtained by TPM through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request show that ATF didn’t even ask the White House for permission before seeking to publish the emergency request in the Federal Register in December of 2010. Remember when teachers, public employees, Unions, Planned Parenthood, Acorn, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? * * * Me neither.
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Bucky4077		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2414 June 22, 2012 3:23 PM	LumpyWideAss wrote: Bucky4077 wrote: Fast and Furious began in the Bush administration If anything in the requested documents make the Bush administration look bad, BO wouldn't be claiming privilege, he'd be faxing them to the NY Times. I should have been more precise. Fast and Furious has it's origin in a Bush administration effort and appears to be the most recent iteration of an entire genre of black operations termed "gunwalking" . I suspect if I looked further this genre has it's origin in the walk up to the Mexican-American war under President James K. Polk. From Wiki: " The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.^[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",^[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.^[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.^[7]^[23]^[25] " " "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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yanked		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17418 June 22, 2012 4:02 PM	(CBS News) The White House said a former National Security staffer who communicated with ATF's Special Agent in charge of "Fast and Furious" cannot be interviewed by Congressional investigators. The ATF Special Agent, Bill Newell, testified to Congress in July 2011 that he's a longtime friend with then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O'Reilly. The two emailed and talked on the phone during the controversial Fast and Furious gunwalking operation, according to documents and Newell's testimony to Congress. In one email exchange about Fast and Furious on Feb. 11, 2011 O'Reilly asked Newell, "Would ATF be willing to put you or others in front of US media that gets pickup in Mexico (CNN en Espanol, perhaps) to tell this story?" At the time, the Justice Department and ATF were denying any gunwalking had occurred, and were looking for ways to promote stories about gun traffickers buying weapons in the U.S. and taking them to Mexico. "Kevin as we discussed last night," answered Newell, "these are some examples of what we could get translated and use in the Mexican media . . . The 'Fast and Furious' indictment is listed under 'U.S. v Avila.'" This is gonna be a fun 6-12 months. Hmmm, denial of a program that was clearly operating and had resulted in US and Mexican deaths. Then, why in the world would this administration want to promote stories about gun traffickers buying weapons in the US and taking them to Mexico? I mean, the US gov't was selling the guns and allowing them to cross, right? And if that's the case, why promote such a scheme? And why are they trying to run these guns and then manipulate the media? Boy, its not too difficult to draw a conclusion on what was happening here. BAB's is gonna be heartbroken when this investigation is done As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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SaundersBucky		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16982 June 22, 2012 4:38 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	DCBadger7 wrote: Who invited the serious guy? Nice try, though.
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BigAppleBucky	Also, Issa voted for project gun runner in 2008	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10783 June 22, 2012 4:43 PM	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/21/1101851/-2008-Darrell-Issa-Voted-YES-to-Fund-Project-Gunrunner-Merida-Initiative 1) Rep. Darrell Issa voted "yes" specifically to Fund: "Project Gunrunner" in June 2008. 2) In January 2008: ATF went to Congress and asked Congress to Fund Project Gunrunner for 3 years. 3) In 2008, HR-6028 combined "Project Gunrunner" with the "Merida Initiative" also known as the "Merida Program." 4) The Title of the Bill HR-6028 is: Assistance for Mexico and Central America for Anti-Drug Programs (Merida Program) 5) A SubSection of the Bill HR-6028 is Titled: PROJECT GUNRUNNER INITIATIVE 6) Among other things, Project Gunrunner is directly funded through Merida Initiative 7) In 2007 the Congress held hearings on Merida Initiative 8) Merida Initiative is complicated because it is an initiative that crosses through: Homeland Security, Secretary of State, ATF, FBI & DoJ. Notice in HR 6028 "Project Gunrunner" is dubbed "initiative" and then the Bill discusses "Mérida Initiative." The Mérida Initiative and Project Gunrunner were President George Bush's brainchildren that Congress: debated, passed and was signed into law ... and yet Darrell Issa pretends he never heard a thing about Project Gunrunner. LACK OF OVERSIGHT ON MERIDA One of the biggest problems with Meridia Initiative is that Congress passed it without mandating oversight on the progress of Merida. In June 2009, Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick wrote HR 3239 which would have mandated Homeland Security provide Congress with updates and progress of Merida -- HR 3239: Mandated Homeland Security report to Congress regarding the Merida Initiative's effects on: (1) border security; (2) border violence; (3) the illicit flow of arms, bulk cash, human trafficking and smuggling, and illegal narcotics across the U.S.-Mexico border; and (4) cooperation between DHS officials and agencies and their foreign counterparts participating in the Merida Initiative. Defines "Merida Initiative" as the program announced by the United States and Mexico on October 22, 2007, to fight illicit narcotics trafficking and criminal organizations throughout the Western Hemisphere. JUNE 2011: In June 2011, Rep. Darrell Issa got pissed off when the Washington Post printed a story that Darrell Issa had been briefed on Project Gunrunner in 2010 and his staffer, Frederick Hill told the Daily Caller. Hill said there was a briefing that Issa attended back in April 2010 on a similar subject.
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Bucky4077		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2414 June 22, 2012 5:01 PM	SaundersBucky wrote: DCBadger7 wrote: Who invited the serious guy? Nice try, though. Hey! I did bring James K. Polk into the discussion. I'm not a total tight ass. Well, ok, I may be, but come on....James K. Polk for christ sake! "The teacher are paying for it. The state budget is balanced. Everything is great now." Blab of Bacon 7/20/11
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Posts: 112 June 22, 2012 5:47 PM	Remove this ad badgerjon66 wrote: It had no connection at all to any Bush admin. program ... There is credible evidence it was all politically motivated to build public support for further restrictions on US gun sales. Obama has claimed he never knew about it but executive privilege applies only to his involvement. Go figure. It is a pretty complicated story and now the mystery is what Obama is trying to keep hidden til after the election. What's he trying to hide? I think he's trying to hide that he's black and born in Kenya. Cheney claimed Executive Privilege to hide his lesbian daughter. Bush claimed it to hide his cocaine use. Geez mindless speculation is fun.
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