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yanked		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 11:57 AM	Remove this ad the larger issue is that we now a governed in a manner that the will of the people and laws of the land are enforced, or not, according to electoral prospects. in other words, Obama's move solves nothing for illegals, they are still illegal and at risk to serious retribution down the road. An adult immigration plan, like the one Obama had to head off by Rubio, could have really changed the life of some hard working immigrants. As it stands, all these folks are still living in fear. The abuse of hispanics by Obama and his minions is alarming. Gone are the days his administration could run guns and just have them shot in Mexico, another partisan eletoral play. The guy is scum of the earth, beneathe the office. Its a tragedy this was used to head off real reform by Rubio. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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Myles Long		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15728 June 26, 2012 12:03 PM	yanked wrote: the larger issue is that we now a governed in a manner that the will of the people and laws of the land are enforced, or not, according to electoral prospects. in other words, Obama's move solves nothing for illegals, they are still illegal and at risk to serious retribution down the road. An adult immigration plan, like the one Obama had to head off by Rubio, could have really changed the life of some hard working immigrants. As it stands, all these folks are still living in fear. The abuse of hispanics by Obama and his minions is alarming. Gone are the days his administration could run guns and just have them shot in Mexico, another partisan eletoral play. The guy is scum of the earth, beneathe the office. Its a tragedy this was used to head off real reform by Rubio. You mean like doing something in Congress................ oh wait, nevermind. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.' President Muffley --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Badger Sports Photos Older Tailgate/Bowl Trip Photos
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Blab of Bacon		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3646 June 26, 2012 12:13 PM Beware the milkman!	Myles Long wrote: yanked wrote: the larger issue is that we now a governed in a manner that the will of the people and laws of the land are enforced, or not, according to electoral prospects. in other words, Obama's move solves nothing for illegals, they are still illegal and at risk to serious retribution down the road. An adult immigration plan, like the one Obama had to head off by Rubio, could have really changed the life of some hard working immigrants. As it stands, all these folks are still living in fear. The abuse of hispanics by Obama and his minions is alarming. Gone are the days his administration could run guns and just have them shot in Mexico, another partisan eletoral play. The guy is scum of the earth, beneathe the office. Its a tragedy this was used to head off real reform by Rubio. You mean like doing something in Congress................ oh wait, nevermind. Good point, Myles. Obama can't even get *one* member of congress to approve his budget. He just might be too radical for compromise.
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BadgerConvert		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2234 June 26, 2012 12:13 PM Is this thing on?	Myles Long wrote: Blab wasn't referring to .... you know ..... actual facts. Now it makes sense. Blab is the senator from AZ?
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usajb		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1378 June 26, 2012 12:20 PM "Southfew should turn over the moderating of the board to johnnysouthcarolinafootball."	yanked wrote: Are you guys trying to make our point? As you have linked, immigration laws are easy to enforce. Obama is clearly breaking laws he could easily enforce, with the sole purpose of exploiting illegals in a cheap ploy to gain votes. i respect him for breaking the laws of our land, makes it easier to defend tax dodging, racism, stealing from the poor, etc. Reminds me of that drug education commercial where the son says "i learned it from you, dad". Obama is giving the green light to lie, cheat and steal. It America, 300,000,000 will be happy to follow suit. I'm confused, in April you posted this: yanked wrote: The police pulled over one of my guys today, profiled him as hispanic. He provided valid ID and then a crew of morons from the INS got involved and made him remove his shirt along side the road (in town) so they could check for tattoos and gang affiliation. The guy is quiet as a church mouse, they figured that out and let him go. Hopefully Obama and Sharpton know that if I had a son he would look like an innocent hispanic guy driving down the road. Profiling is so naughty for this administration. Why do they hate Latino's? This should bolsterour point in undermining Obama with Latino's, just as Rubio gets set to put forth a GOP version of the Dream Act, can't wait to see if democrats try and torpedo that legislation Which is it? Police shouldn't call in immigration when they suspect an illegal alien or should they? You seem to flip flop on this issue.
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yanked		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 12:25 PM	i cant help it if dimocrats in congress and the leftists on the supreme court vote in lockstep. their ideas are so bad that Obama has to not enforce our laws to score points. Its a fucking whacky bunch of shitbags. if obama were from here, he'd better understand. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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Azree33		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10079 June 26, 2012 12:30 PM The Wizard of Az "I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a 17 year old female. I love Maroon 5. Adam Lambert makes me sweat. Pete Wentz is the shizzle. Shit. Gave it away with "shizzle," didn't I?"	bhambadger wrote: Just as interesting was Justice Scalia's hissyfit in his bench statement. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/25/us/politics/25scalia-statement.html Interesting how he trumpets states' rights in this, yet the court wouldn't even hear the claim of Montana over Citizens United. I guess all states' rights aren't created equal. -------------- Let no man think we can deny civil liberty to others and retain it for ourselves.
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fibwis		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1704 June 26, 2012 1:37 PM	TheMonsignor wrote: I haven't read Scalia's written dissent, but this statement did not (as far as I saw in a quick review) include his usual diatribe that the Court's decison "boggles the mind." I've been reading some of his decisions lately, both in the majority and the dissent, and the number of times he says that the other side's analysis "boggles the mind" is startling. In fact, his constant use of that phrase boggles the mind. It also boggles the mind that he points to antebellum America to support the notion that the states should be setting immigration policy. From Jeffrey Toobin in the New Yorker: "And what authority did Scalia cite for his broad conception of the role of the state? He went back into history to examine the role of states in policing immigration. He pointed out that In the first 100 years of the Republic, the States enacted numerous laws restricting the immigration of certain classes of aliens, including convicted criminals, indigents, persons with contagious diseases, and (in Southern States) freed blacks. State laws not only provided for the removal of unwanted immigrants but also imposed penalties on unlawfully present aliens and those who aided their immigration. It’s worth pausing to remember what kind of immigration the states (especially the Southern ones) handled in those bygone days; much of it had to do with slavery, of course. To be sure, Scalia is not endorsing slavery, but his invocation of that ugly chapter in American history suggests, at a minimum, a loss of perspective."
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swenson		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2596 June 26, 2012 2:40 PM	badgering wrote: Yes, that is what caused my caustic post. And I'm a big believer in letting 'em stay as long as they have jobs and pay taxes and otherwise obey the law. Doesn't this capture the divide within the republican party? Corporate republicans want the cheap labor. The far right wants all illegals gone.
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yanked		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 2:47 PM	Remove this ad usajb wrote: yanked wrote: Are you guys trying to make our point? As you have linked, immigration laws are easy to enforce. Obama is clearly breaking laws he could easily enforce, with the sole purpose of exploiting illegals in a cheap ploy to gain votes. i respect him for breaking the laws of our land, makes it easier to defend tax dodging, racism, stealing from the poor, etc. Reminds me of that drug education commercial where the son says "i learned it from you, dad". Obama is giving the green light to lie, cheat and steal. It America, 300,000,000 will be happy to follow suit. I'm confused, in April you posted this: yanked wrote: The police pulled over one of my guys today, profiled him as hispanic. He provided valid ID and then a crew of morons from the INS got involved and made him remove his shirt along side the road (in town) so they could check for tattoos and gang affiliation. The guy is quiet as a church mouse, they figured that out and let him go. Hopefully Obama and Sharpton know that if I had a son he would look like an innocent hispanic guy driving down the road. Profiling is so naughty for this administration. Why do they hate Latino's? This should bolsterour point in undermining Obama with Latino's, just as Rubio gets set to put forth a GOP version of the Dream Act, can't wait to see if democrats try and torpedo that legislation Which is it? Police shouldn't call in immigration when they suspect an illegal alien or should they? You seem to flip flop on this issue. Where is the nuance? A guy was strip searched after providing a valid ID vs Known illegal citizens are allowed, by the government, to stay in this country and burden our social services without threat of deportation. 300,000,000 people have voted one way in a "democracy" and one person (maybe two) decide that the will of those 300,000,000 means nothing in comparison to cheap political points. Obama is the worst kind of human, but you already know that and can't bare to face it. Maybe the next time the GOP president has a bug up his ass he/she should decide that the IRS can no longer prosecute tax cheats.. Which laws should we enforce and which ones are arbitrary? Are we all to decide on our own? Me personally, everything is like a speed limit sign, sometimes I obey, others, not so much. This flexibility makes retribution quite delicious. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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yanked		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 3:05 PM	swenson wrote: badgering wrote: Yes, that is what caused my caustic post. And I'm a big believer in letting 'em stay as long as they have jobs and pay taxes and otherwise obey the law. Doesn't this capture the divide within the republican party? Corporate republicans want the cheap labor. The far right wants all illegals gone. You need to dig deeper. There is much to love in immigration for the entire GOP, so long as taxes don't go up to pay for increased social services. The GOP can keep hispanics employed, hispanics don't like the oppressive entitlement mentality peddled by democrats to keep AA's down - hispanics are not gonna lay down for democrats, hispanics tend to be very religous.......these things all favor, heavily, the GOP. Once the GOP is smart enough to take immigration off the table (even a temporary work permit), that issue would be gone for democrats. Now you are operating on GOP ground from the economy, religion and dem's oppressing minorities. Democrats don't ever want this isssue to go away because it will take a large number of hispanics off the table as constituents. Democrats are looking at hispanics from a current voting perspective and not as legal citizens, there are many future GOPers in there. This is an awesome opportunity for the GOP and its exactly the reason Obama had to make this half measure.....perception is that he cares but in reality nothing changed for the illegals, illegal and on the run is the best outcome for democrats. Elite democrats (and there are few) know that immigration dying as an issue will hurt them with hispanics....that's why oppression is the democrats most potent electoral weapon, doesn't matter if its hispanics or AA's. Its all about perception, nothing about reality. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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Strange Brew eh		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5942 June 26, 2012 3:10 PM	swenson wrote: badgering wrote: Yes, that is what caused my caustic post. And I'm a big believer in letting 'em stay as long as they have jobs and pay taxes and otherwise obey the law. Doesn't this capture the divide within the republican party? Corporate republicans want the cheap labor. The far right wants all illegals gone. The Dems have the same problem. The group you call the far right fits the same demographic of union tradesmen.
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Medic		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1333 June 26, 2012 3:41 PM	Scalia's dissent was spot on. Which is why no one is actually attacking the content of the message, just posting cute cartoons or mentioning irrelevant law not pertaining to this case. Additionally, if the illegal immigration rate is lower since 2008, I'm pretty sure we can point to a shit economy (especially in California) and herald it as our immigration control officer, not Obama. Obama's idea of immigration control is unfettered amnesty for anyone who doesn't get caught crossing. Let's ask the folks running Saguaro National Park how much things have improved over the last four years....
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PBRmeASAP		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3759 June 26, 2012 4:14 PM Heineken!?! Fuck that shit! PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!	Medic wrote: Scalia's dissent was spot on. Which is why no one is actually attacking the content of the message, just posting cute cartoons or mentioning irrelevant law not pertaining to this case. Additionally, if the illegal immigration rate is lower since 2008, I'm pretty sure we can point to a shit economy (especially in California) and herald it as our immigration control officer, not Obama. Obama's idea of immigration control is unfettered amnesty for anyone who doesn't get caught crossing. Let's ask the folks running Saguaro National Park how much things have improved over the last four years.... Why do people have to resort to posting wild falsehoods to try to make points on this board? Is he a Marxist too? Scalia's dissent was not spot on. It shows a lack of understanding of the separation of powers. He goes back 100+ years and cites laws regarding slaves to bolster his point. Pathetic really. It's an absolute paradox. The bacon must have been finished, thus disallowing the possibility of 'leftover'. And yet, were that impossibility to occur, surely it would be good. -LeviBooth
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ThisCharmingFan		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13578 June 26, 2012 4:35 PM The disputatious one	The economy forcibly deported folks? What planet do you live on?
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usajb		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1378 June 26, 2012 4:37 PM "Southfew should turn over the moderating of the board to johnnysouthcarolinafootball."	yanked wrote: 300,000,000 people have voted one way in a "democracy" and one person (maybe two) decide that the will of those 300,000,000 means nothing in comparison to cheap political points. Out of all the dumb things you've posted, this might be one of the dumbest statements you have ever made .
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yanked		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 4:44 PM	The economy and tougher enforcement did decrease immigration. Net migration from Mexico to the United States has come to a statistical standstill, stalling one of the most significant demographic trends of the last four decades. Amid an economic downturn and increased enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border, the number of Mexicans coming to the United States dropped significantly, while the number of those returning home increased sharply over the last several years, according to a report by the Pew Hispanic Center. Obama's economy actually deported people, according to PEW research. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/24/local/la-me-immigration-20120424 The border enforcement is having a significant impact, driving up the costs of getting into the US. Not that I'd know but right now its a $3,000 premium, per person, to cross into the US compared to 5 years ago. Its a waste of my money As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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yanked		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 4:48 PM	usajb wrote: yanked wrote: 300,000,000 people have voted one way in a "democracy" and one person (maybe two) decide that the will of those 300,000,000 means nothing in comparison to cheap political points. Out of all the dumb things you've posted, this might be one of the dumbest statements you have ever made . It doesn't matter, its not like we live in a democracy where the will of the people is carried out by the president or attorney general. These cats are terrible humans to the core. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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likewhoa123		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4129 June 26, 2012 5:11 PM	Medic wrote: Scalia's dissent was spot on. Which is why no one is actually attacking the content of the message, just posting cute cartoons or mentioning irrelevant law not pertaining to this case. Additionally, if the illegal immigration rate is lower since 2008, I'm pretty sure we can point to a shit economy (especially in California) and herald it as our immigration control officer, not Obama. Obama's idea of immigration control is unfettered amnesty for anyone who doesn't get caught crossing. Let's ask the folks running Saguaro National Park how much things have improved over the last four years.... As has already been pointed out the part in bold is utter horseshit. What are your thoughts on Reagan and Bush's immigration policy btw? I only brought up those statistics to show how stupid blab's point was about things being worse under Obama. The fact is immigration policy hasn't really changed and I bet it won't for the foreseeable future. Downward pressure in the illegal immigration rate comes from the economy not the president. What drives illegal immigration in the first place is business, not politics. The American economy is dependent on cheap illegal immigrant labor. A lot of the products we consume are produced by cheap illegal immigrant labor. Fixing immigration would probably lead to substantial inflation in certain industries, including some essential ones like meat. I don't think either party really wants to fix the problem. Dems can use it as a wedge issue to pander to Hispanics and Republicans can use it as a wedge issue to pander to their chickenshit nativist base. Everyone's happy and the precious job creators still get their cheap labor. "I have sex 2 or 3 times a day, every day (no lie)- but it is always with myself." - AbeFroman Edited 1 time by likewhoa123 June 26, 2012 5:14 PM.
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yanked		#40	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17407 June 26, 2012 5:25 PM	Remove this ad likewhoa123 wrote: Medic wrote: Scalia's dissent was spot on. Which is why no one is actually attacking the content of the message, just posting cute cartoons or mentioning irrelevant law not pertaining to this case. Additionally, if the illegal immigration rate is lower since 2008, I'm pretty sure we can point to a shit economy (especially in California) and herald it as our immigration control officer, not Obama. Obama's idea of immigration control is unfettered amnesty for anyone who doesn't get caught crossing. Let's ask the folks running Saguaro National Park how much things have improved over the last four years.... As has already been pointed out the part in bold is utter horseshit. What are your thoughts on Reagan and Bush's immigration policy btw? I only brought up those statistics to show how stupid blab's point was about things being worse under Obama. The fact is immigration policy hasn't really changed and I bet it won't for the foreseeable future. Downward pressure in the illegal immigration rate comes from the economy not the president. What drives illegal immigration in the first place is business, not politics. The American economy is dependent on cheap illegal immigrant labor. A lot of the products we consume are produced by cheap illegal immigrant labor. Fixing immigration would probably lead to substantial inflation in certain industries, including some essential ones like meat. I don't think either party really wants to fix the problem. Dems can use it as a wedge issue to pander to Hispanics and Republicans can use it as a wedge issue to pander to their chickenshit nativist base. Everyone's happy and the precious job creators still get their cheap labor. On the first point, you betcha. Democrats don't want immigration to change, hence, this symbolic move by Obama. They need minorities to have problems, real solutions remove electoral politics, that isn't good for Obama. On your second point, really? We entitle our people into NOT working, that is all about politics. If entitlements and subsidies weren't there, you'd have people, you know, working to survive. Immigrant labor in most (not farm/produce) is not cheap, its normal. Immigrant labor happens to be 5x better than non skilled US labor making it cheaper per unit of output. Obama's constituents are going to hate it when hispanics gain a larger foothold and completely displace all AA's in the workplace. It will not be pretty. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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