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Posts: 4540 June 30, 2012 6:29 AM	Remove this ad top officials decided not to go to authorities about Jer after they talked to "Joe" http://espn.go.com/colleg...andusky-allegations-2001
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hannon12		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1035 June 30, 2012 6:57 AM Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.	Joe didn't want a black eye on his chur.....er.....football program.
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RedWagon		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8939 June 30, 2012 8:15 AM I don't know the answer, I'm just asking that's all.	Those brave men and their "rape boys elsewhere" position. As for the civil suits: "Not to mention I defend things that are absolutely ignorant" MrLogic - 5/7/07
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AKA TAW		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13269 June 30, 2012 8:15 AM Den Mother	I have not yet visited the Penn State boards, but predict numerous posts about the conspiracy by ESPN and the national media to destroy Penn State. These articles are undoubtedly written by people who don't have all the facts. I wish I had a dime, for every bad time But the bad times always seem to keep the change Anyhow, I Love You - Guy Clark
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MontyFortyEight		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5908 June 30, 2012 8:20 AM The Head of Alfredo Garcia *classically trained binge drinker*	Really? As we all know, every fan base has a lunatic fringe, but every PSU alum I've talked to about it out here isn't defiant, just really sad.
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Big Eddy Springs		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4549 June 30, 2012 8:35 AM	Penn St is a great University. The people in place need to resign, admit their mistakes and take ownership of their culpability. Never happen, but! The good people should force it. that would go a long way to prove my first sentence.
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AKA TAW		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13269 June 30, 2012 8:41 AM Den Mother	MontyFortyEight wrote: Really? As we all know, every fan base has a lunatic fringe, but every PSU alum I've talked to about it out here isn't defiant, just really sad. They probably aren't the people on message boards. There are some rational folks who, as you state, are just very sad. They are quickly called to task by those who refuse to believe anything bad about Joe and think the whole thing is a misunderstanding between Schultz, Spanier, and Curley.. Just a weird looking e-mail. Up top you have "From: Tim Curley" and "Cc: Gary Schultz" with no "To" field and a blank subject line. The body has the "To" field, Spanier added, and no subject line. The extra large font and putting what Curley words in "quotes" also seem weird, but CNN may have just been doing that for effect. I'd like the see the actual e-mail in total as that seems like it was edited. Even if true this doesn't establish "cover up" as the motive. I think its quite likely that they wanted to help an old loyal friend, to get him professional help in the belief that it would halt the conduct without destroying his life and reputation. Obviously, that was a bad decision and very misplaced. But making a horribly wrong decision isn't the same as covering up a scandal to protect the football program. Until I see an email that says 'for the best interest of the university...' or 'do not involve authorities'... it's just guys not knowing what to do rather than a deliberate coverup. The option to report Sandusky was always in play. I wish I had a dime, for every bad time But the bad times always seem to keep the change Anyhow, I Love You - Guy Clark
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CCBadger		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5139 June 30, 2012 9:09 AM	Most PSU message board fans seem to think this is a deal. Sure, there are a few nuts out there that will never hold anything against JoePa but most are pretty realistic about this new information. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9109183 You could pick out a few examples of stupidity from Badger fans in just about any thread on this board or the Scout board. It's the nature of these boards. "There's something beautiful, so pure about Wisconsin beating the snot out of teams by running the ball down their throats"- Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
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GVBadger		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2320 June 30, 2012 9:14 AM	I hope this is not a shock to anyone. It was as plain as day what happened the second this story broke. The notion that Paterno was not involved in deciding how this was going to be handled is absurd. The Gophers, with a few occasional hiccups, were truly dominant basically from their inception all the way through the end of Bierman's first tenure (1941). Other than the 1961 and 1967 seasons, they've been more or less the same every year since 1941 - mediocre-to-poor. Since 1967, the Gophers have finished 3rd in the Big Ten three times. Of course, they've never finished 1st or 2nd in that time frame.
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SaundersBucky		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17014 June 30, 2012 10:28 AM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	Big Eddy Springs wrote: Penn St is a great University. The people in place need to resign, admit their mistakes and take ownership of their culpability. Never happen, but! The good people should force it. that would go a long way to prove my first sentence. I think that at this point, many of the people involved have resigned, or were already no longer working there.
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Danofiveo		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12746 June 30, 2012 10:42 AM Gobbz's biggest fan	Remove this ad Glad that, in 1974, I visited Madison and chose to attend the UW in the fall of '75 instead of going to PSU like everyone else with a brain in my high school. Thanks to my brother, for supplying that 17 year-old with iced-cold Special Export, my first brat and a brunette named Amy whom I met in Vilas Park... Sad Minnesota is Native-American for BAD AT FOOTBALL...
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mwingb		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4123 June 30, 2012 10:52 AM	The out Penn State has for this is to try and begin the healing process as early as possible is to blame Joe since he's not around to defend himself. They'll have to be really careful not to make it too obvious and not go overboard but the sad reality is his death opened the door for this. Not suggesting he's without blame because he certainly played his part as one of many people who made horrible mistakes here. I could see them quietly trying to nudge the blame in his direction when they can.
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Posts: 1861 June 30, 2012 11:01 AM	I cannot believe that that program is apparently not going to get any sort of penalties from the NCAA. I mean, I honestly think they shouldn't be allowed to play football for an entire season. This is about 10000000x worse than sneakers or paying players or drugs. This was a full blown conspiracy to protect a football coach who was sucking off 10 year olds. I would be sooooooo ashamed if this was happening to UW. "My biggest indictment of Bielema is that I don't see players developing or getting better. I wonder if he has a good staff of assistants or not" - BadgerInOhioValley, December 28, 2008. "Massively out coached. Massively." - BB Fran, December 3, 2011.
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TheMonsignor		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7112 June 30, 2012 11:55 AM Phil King "200 lbs, dripping wet"	When I first went to a game at Penn State back in the 90s, we met a couple of fans out there and were sort of in touch for a few years. Then lost track of them. Recently, one of them tracked me down again. This guy was a huge PSU fan. He is just sick about this whole thing. He feels like an institution, and a coach, that he totally revered have been lying to him for years. He refuses to wear his PSU garb and has taken all their stuff off the walls of his place. I guess there will always be some who can't face the facts, but I'm guessing more PSU fans are like this guy. Bless the Badgers.
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ryebadger		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5140 June 30, 2012 1:09 PM	Saint Bucky wrote: I cannot believe that that program is apparently not going to get any sort of penalties from the NCAA. I mean, I honestly think they shouldn't be allowed to play football for an entire season. This is about 10000000x worse than sneakers or paying players or drugs. This was a full blown conspiracy to protect a football coach who was sucking off 10 year olds. I would be sooooooo ashamed if this was happening to UW. This is an interesting point and not something that has been discussed enough. It won't happen here. For one, the victims were not players and this did not really have competitive consequences. The NCAA does not get really get involved with criminal conduct of players or coaches so it won't get involved in the cover up of criminal conduct. It does strike me as strange that a coach can be subject to a show cause order for lying about a text message but not this. Maybe that should be reexamined. As always, this post is written with the express proviso that I am not a chicken little. The sky is not falling. My office window does not have a ledge. I'm happy we won. I heard some ranked teams even lost. I'm glad we are not Virginia Tech. I like our coach. I know these are 19 year old kids. The season is young. Mistakes will get cleaned up. Fowler said even Alabama threw an interception once. The other guys are on scholarship, too. After living through the Don morton era, I'm just glad to be here.
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ryebadger		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5140 June 30, 2012 1:16 PM	MontyFortyEight wrote: Really? As we all know, every fan base has a lunatic fringe, but every PSU alum I've talked to about it out here isn't defiant, just really sad. There are a lot of them out here and my impression is the same as yours. They love Penn State and are sad to see the brand tarnished. If TAW's post is intended to be a knock on PSU fans, go back and read the reaction to the Bo Ryan controversy a few months ago. Most here circled the wagons and blamed the dolts in the media. Bielema goes for 2 up by like 90 points? No big deal, ESPN is full of morons lookimg for a story. If you think we are more rational than other fanbases when our beloved is criticized, think again. As always, this post is written with the express proviso that I am not a chicken little. The sky is not falling. My office window does not have a ledge. I'm happy we won. I heard some ranked teams even lost. I'm glad we are not Virginia Tech. I like our coach. I know these are 19 year old kids. The season is young. Mistakes will get cleaned up. Fowler said even Alabama threw an interception once. The other guys are on scholarship, too. After living through the Don morton era, I'm just glad to be here.
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SaundersBucky		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17014 June 30, 2012 1:23 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	ryebadger wrote: If TAW's post is intended to be a knock on PSU fans, go back and read the reaction to the Bo Ryan controversy a few months ago. Most here circled the wagons and blamed the dolts in the media. Bielema goes for 2 up by like 90 points? No big deal, ESPN is full of morons lookimg for a story. If you think we are more rational than other fanbases when our beloved is criticized, think again. Uh, no. Most did not circle the wagons. A few did, a few more questioned how big of a deal it was, but most think it was not handled as well as it should have been.
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hannon12		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1035 June 30, 2012 1:29 PM Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.	Most PSU fans that I deal with on a regular basis are ashamed. Some have said they literally have felt sick over the whole thing. Back in November, I talked to a few who were completely convinced that JoePa was still Saint Joe, he wasn't tarnished and it was a shame the Trustees fired him when he wasn't guilty of anything. I'm wondering how those people are feeling now.
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ryebadger		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5140 June 30, 2012 1:45 PM	SaundersBucky wrote: ryebadger wrote: If TAW's post is intended to be a knock on PSU fans, go back and read the reaction to the Bo Ryan controversy a few months ago. Most here circled the wagons and blamed the dolts in the media. Bielema goes for 2 up by like 90 points? No big deal, ESPN is full of morons lookimg for a story. If you think we are more rational than other fanbases when our beloved is criticized, think again. Uh, no. Most did not circle the wagons. A few did, a few more questioned how big of a deal it was, but most think it was not handled as well as it should have been. I beg to differ. The number of people who admitted it wasn't handled well paled in comparison to those who said it was no big deal, blamed the dolts in the media or even blamed Uthoff. There were a dozen long threads on the topic, which would not have occurred if most people were in agreement that it wasn't handled well. Go back and read them and tell me that was the majority opinion. As always, this post is written with the express proviso that I am not a chicken little. The sky is not falling. My office window does not have a ledge. I'm happy we won. I heard some ranked teams even lost. I'm glad we are not Virginia Tech. I like our coach. I know these are 19 year old kids. The season is young. Mistakes will get cleaned up. Fowler said even Alabama threw an interception once. The other guys are on scholarship, too. After living through the Don morton era, I'm just glad to be here.
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SaundersBucky		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17014 June 30, 2012 2:07 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	ryebadger wrote: SaundersBucky wrote: ryebadger wrote: If TAW's post is intended to be a knock on PSU fans, go back and read the reaction to the Bo Ryan controversy a few months ago. Most here circled the wagons and blamed the dolts in the media. Bielema goes for 2 up by like 90 points? No big deal, ESPN is full of morons lookimg for a story. If you think we are more rational than other fanbases when our beloved is criticized, think again. Uh, no. Most did not circle the wagons. A few did, a few more questioned how big of a deal it was, but most think it was not handled as well as it should have been. I beg to differ. The number of people who admitted it wasn't handled well paled in comparison to those who said it was no big deal, blamed the dolts in the media or even blamed Uthoff. There were a dozen long threads on the topic, which would not have occurred if most people were in agreement that it wasn't handled well. Go back and read them and tell me that was the majority opinion. I think we are talking about two different groups of people. Your definition of "most" seems to be "most of the posts within those threads", my definition of most is "most of the people that expressed any sort of opinion on the subject".
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CCBadger		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5139 June 30, 2012 2:32 PM	Remove this ad NYTimes article is pretty interesting "There's something beautiful, so pure about Wisconsin beating the snot out of teams by running the ball down their throats"- Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
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