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Slimm21		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12769 August 7, 2012 1:53 PM I've paid for bottle service	Remove this ad Will do. I appreciate your work on cleaning up some of the junk that does sometimes find it way onto the board.
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los venerables		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 854 August 7, 2012 2:10 PM formerly sfbadger!	My opinion, for anyone who might give a shit, is that, when it comes to moderation, less is more. My basic principle is that the best response to "bad" speech is more speech. If you want people to act like grownups, then treat them like grownups. Do some folks post things that cross the line? Well, I'd argue that there is no one "line", there are probably as many lines as there are people using this board. Folks don't seem shy about letting folks know if they've been offended (e.g. the great "retard" kerfuffle of 2009). If enough folks take offense, I trust that a poster would moderate their own behavior. If they don't, and it becomes a distraction, then the official moderator should feel free to step in. If you think more official moderation makes a board better, head over to Badgermaniac's for a while to be quickly disabused of that notion. Trolls don't do well here because folks (for the most part) don't fall for their bullshit. Same goes for posters who post ridiculous things. Counterarguments (or mockery) usually swamp those types of posts pretty quickly (trust me, I've broken down hours of tape on this). However, attaching links or otherwise unrequested information or pictures to someones profile is wrong. If you want to point out/mock what someone else has said, put it under your own avatar, or make it your signature. The political board is a horrible place, because many folks refuse to argue in good faith, but I'm glad it's there because it keeps that shit from popping up on the other boards, so let's try to keep petty disputes quarantined. IP address information is fine when identifying/outing trolls, not so fine when pursuing some personal vendetta.
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SaundersBucky		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16943 August 7, 2012 2:28 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	los venerables wrote: IP address information is fine when identifying/outing trolls, not so fine when pursuing some personal vendetta. I'm not aware of any instance where IP information was used in the pursuit of a personal vendetta, but perhaps our definition of that is different. Just as an FYI in the interest of openness, this is what the admin control panel looks like for doing an IP to all profiles search. It's pretty much one click to run it. I've chosen Pantherhawk as an example, as he hardly is being secretive. I've blanked out the actual IP. A few comments: 1. Metro code is not always correct. If the main office of an internet provider is in another city, the metro area might be of their office and not where the post originates. 2. Public wireless access points, for example in airports, will show multiple board members sharing that IP. It's meaningless. Unless you have a small number of user IDs sharing a significant number of posts, you can't really assume anything. And even then, it might not mean anything. If Myles were visiting San Diego and stopped by my pad for a beer or three, and connected to my wireless while he was there, the "evidence" would suggest we are the same person. Edited 1 time by SaundersBucky August 7, 2012 2:45 PM.
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DCBadger7		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10458 August 7, 2012 3:04 PM Blissfully Disinterested	The biggest issue I have is that people who have moderator power also are participants in the discussion. This has resulted in the inappropriate exercise of said power. To wit, the crap that's being put below poster's avatars. There's a dramatic difference between a cutesy/smarmy attempt at humor and what obviously is a vindictive act. It comes across as petty and it makes the Political Board even more insufferable than it already is. EDIT: Just to be clear, this is not a criticism of the Dude.
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los venerables		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 854 August 7, 2012 3:26 PM formerly sfbadger!	SaundersBucky wrote: los venerables wrote: IP address information is fine when identifying/outing trolls, not so fine when pursuing some personal vendetta. I'm not aware of any instance where IP information was used in the pursuit of a personal vendetta, but perhaps our definition of that is different. I'm not aware of any instance either, just saying that it is an area where a moderator might overstep boundaries by revealing information that a poster would rather not have made known.
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SaundersBucky		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16943 August 7, 2012 3:32 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	los venerables wrote: SaundersBucky wrote: los venerables wrote: IP address information is fine when identifying/outing trolls, not so fine when pursuing some personal vendetta. I'm not aware of any instance where IP information was used in the pursuit of a personal vendetta, but perhaps our definition of that is different. I'm not aware of any instance either, just saying that it is an area where a moderator might overstep boundaries by revealing information that a poster would rather not have made known. I am most definitely guilty of that; it's just that a vendetta wasn't my motivation (more like mischievousness).
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los venerables		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 854 August 7, 2012 4:21 PM formerly sfbadger!	SaundersBucky wrote: los venerables wrote: SaundersBucky wrote: I'm not aware of any instance where IP information was used in the pursuit of a personal vendetta, but perhaps our definition of that is different. I'm not aware of any instance either, just saying that it is an area where a moderator might overstep boundaries by revealing information that a poster would rather not have made known. I am most definitely guilty of that; it's just that a vendetta wasn't my motivation (more like mischievousness). Well, I appreciate your frankness. I guess I would argue that unless the other party has the same ability to be "mischievous", revealing personal information is an abuse of your moderator power.
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Myles Long		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15717 August 7, 2012 4:24 PM	Thanks all for the comments and criticisms. I have considered each of them and will attempt to be a better administrator. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.' President Muffley --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Badger Sports Photos Older Tailgate/Bowl Trip Photos
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SaundersBucky		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16943 August 7, 2012 4:27 PM Buckyville's Fiscal Cliff	Remove this ad los venerables wrote: SaundersBucky wrote: los venerables wrote: I'm not aware of any instance either, just saying that it is an area where a moderator might overstep boundaries by revealing information that a poster would rather not have made known. I am most definitely guilty of that; it's just that a vendetta wasn't my motivation (more like mischievousness). Well, I appreciate your frankness. I guess I would argue that unless the other party has the same ability to be "mischievous", revealing personal information is an abuse of your moderator power. You are over analyzing my answer. I don't think that my saying that poster A and poster B post from the same location is exactly revealing personal information, especially when poster B is using his new ID to screw around with people on Buckyville. Yuku actually has a setting that allows every post's originating IP address to be displayed, which is far beyond what I've ever revealed. We could turn that on if it floats your boat.
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los venerables		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 854 August 7, 2012 4:39 PM formerly sfbadger!	SaundersBucky wrote: You are over analyzing my answer. I don't think that my saying that poster A and poster B post from the same location is exactly revealing personal information, especially when poster B is using his new ID to screw around with people on Buckyville. Yuku actually has a setting that allows every post's originating IP address to be displayed, which is far beyond what I've ever revealed. We could turn that on if it floats your boat. I'd say that falls under the troll exception I outlined in my first reply, so go nuts. SaundersBucky wrote: Yuku actually has a setting that allows every post's originating IP address to be displayed, which is far beyond what I've ever revealed. We could turn that on if it floats your boat. I'm not sure how you can read anything I've written as advocating for displaying more personal information.
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ThisCharmingFan		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13559 August 7, 2012 7:07 PM The disputatious one	Ulbian wrote: Can TCF be made a moderator? Neat.
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yanked		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17382 August 7, 2012 9:02 PM	Myles Long wrote: Thanks all for the comments and criticisms. I have considered each of them and will attempt to be a better administrator. You do just fine Myles, with the exception of handling Jon and Lamont. Considering the number of people and the diversity of thought, I'd say you Saunders do better than most of the rest of us would. I'd have a boxing glove punch you in the forehead everytime you hit enter if I had moderator powers. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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Medic		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1330 August 28, 2012 5:52 PM	I would like to nominate myself for admin. I believe being a third party to Wisconsin forum affairs makes me the perfect impartial candidate No? Anyone? Guys?.......
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AKA TAW		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13249 August 28, 2012 6:39 PM Den Mother	Medic wrote: I would like to nominate myself for admin. I believe being a third party to Wisconsin forum affairs makes me the perfect impartial candidate No? Anyone? Guys?....... Not a bad idea, Medic, but we LIKE to read Rye's posts. I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch. Gilda Radner
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Medic		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1330 August 29, 2012 10:29 AM	I would only dele...uhhhh...observe his posts about Michigan.
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Southfew		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7293 August 31, 2012 1:34 PM dude	Medic wrote: I would like to nominate myself for admin. I believe being a third party to Wisconsin forum affairs makes me the perfect impartial candidate No? Anyone? Guys?....... Sure, why not?
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Myles Long		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15717 August 31, 2012 2:47 PM	Southfew wrote: Medic wrote: I would like to nominate myself for admin. I believe being a third party to Wisconsin forum affairs makes me the perfect impartial candidate No? Anyone? Guys?....... Sure, why not? Did you inform medic about the rule that all mods must buy white russians for any of the Admins upon demand? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.' President Muffley --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Badger Sports Photos Older Tailgate/Bowl Trip Photos
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ThisCharmingFan		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13559 August 31, 2012 6:36 PM The disputatious one	Remove this ad White Russians. Black Russians. Why is always about race with you?
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