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Romney actually might be gullible enough to believe the crap the GOP is feeding him.

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yanked		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17430 November 15, 2012 10:36 AM	Remove this ad blockski wrote: So, Obama only wins votes by 'buying' them via promoting policies that those voters will like. Nevermind the question of if these are good policies or not. How is that any different from a bunch of rich guys who want lower taxes voting for the guy that has a policy of lowering taxes on the rich? Thats entirely the question. See, progressives can't sell programs to bottom feeders and win, that's why we've seen a vast expansion in the giveaways trickling up to a middle class that doesn't need them...but will happily take them. That's how you get $1.3T annual deficits, no growth and $16T in debt. The patronage now includes a middle class that doesn't even need the benefits - but if they take 'em, well, that's how you get the programs you want for bottom feeders. Its social justice and its associated scams, who cares if it costs 100-200% than it should, if we didn't sell it more broadly, who would vote for it, right? On your second point, lowering taxes is good for people, all people. You'll notice that these hated Bush tax cuts are being maintained for 98% of the population, right? Well, that tells you how great his tax cuts were, 98% of them are being protected, by PROGRESSIVES. Carping over the top 2%, that's just progressives being progressives, pissing their pants about nothing. There is no fundamental reason the top 2% don't also benefit from tax cuts, just like the other 98%. This is what progressives do, it doesn't have to be based in reality. So, the Dem giveaways are paid by the top 2% in an attempt to get bottom 98% to buy into "change"....mostly to benefit bottom feeder programs that would otherwise get no voter support. Not a tough equation to figure out. The GOP, conversely, tries to give 100% of the population benefits via tax cuts, based on what you pay in. Hugely popular and beneficial to the lower and middle class, highly redistributionary, see progressives protecting the Bush tax cuts. There is an enormous difference in your two scenarios, even mildly rational progressives (a high water mark, if you will) could be walked through this and they'd understand it. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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ryebadger		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5140 November 15, 2012 10:41 AM	If Mitt insists on engaging in an autopsy of his election instead of doing the noble thing and slinking off into irrelevance, at least get it right. You had your ass handed to you because the guy you mocked and taunted as a "community organizer" ran fucking circles around your self proclaimed brilliance as a vaunted corporate executive. Oh, and you fellated loonies like Rush and Trump when any candidate with a brain and a spine would have laughed at them. But please continue to insult more than half the country by saying they just wanted "gifts," another bit of cluelessness that makes it clear the only job you were cut out for was taking family money, family connections and turning them into . . . money. Tricky! Mitt's concession speech was pretty gracious. He should have stopped there. As always, this post is written with the express proviso that I am not a chicken little. The sky is not falling. My office window does not have a ledge. I'm happy we won. I heard some ranked teams even lost. I'm glad we are not Virginia Tech. I like our coach. I know these are 19 year old kids. The season is young. Mistakes will get cleaned up. Fowler said even Alabama threw an interception once. The other guys are on scholarship, too. After living through the Don morton era, I'm just glad to be here.
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yanked		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17430 November 15, 2012 10:50 AM	TheMonsignor wrote: How so? Largely because of huge military installations. You can argue that military expenditures are more appropriate for the federal government, but now you are just arguing about what sort of "subsidy" you want to give people. I'd argue there is not much difference, in terms of makers v. takers, between a bloated war machine and a bloated food stamp program. Wow, that would be a stupid argument. At least I get to enjoy the Blue Angels....and watch us blow up shit on TV every now and again. My food stamps benefits include watching to see who gets gunned down every night. I have 3 kids in school between 3rd and 11th grade. For the classmates on gov't bennies, you can follow the lack of improvement through each grade, the faces and stories don't change. Food stamps, public housing, public health, etc aren't changing a fucking thing for kids at the bottom. Oppressed parent leads to oppressed children. Sure, we can get them some nicer shit but few, if any, are capable ever leaving the bottom. Its not an "investment" so much as it is hush money. As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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DeMayonnaise		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7069 November 15, 2012 11:50 AM FEAR THE VISOR!	yanked wrote: TheMonsignor wrote: How so? Largely because of huge military installations. You can argue that military expenditures are more appropriate for the federal government, but now you are just arguing about what sort of "subsidy" you want to give people. I'd argue there is not much difference, in terms of makers v. takers, between a bloated war machine and a bloated food stamp program. Wow, that would be a stupid argument. At least I get to enjoy the Blue Angels....and watch us blow up shit on TV every now and again. My food stamps benefits include watching to see who gets gunned down every night. I have 3 kids in school between 3rd and 11th grade. For the classmates on gov't bennies, you can follow the lack of improvement through each grade, the faces and stories don't change. Food stamps, public housing, public health, etc aren't changing a fucking thing for kids at the bottom. Oppressed parent leads to oppressed children. Sure, we can get them some nicer shit but few, if any, are capable ever leaving the bottom. Its not an "investment" so much as it is hush money. 'Murica. Fuck yeah.
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Combad57		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6747 November 15, 2012 1:02 PM	Here's a little more on makers vs takers. http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/
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kr0p0tkin		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2384 November 15, 2012 1:12 PM	Remove this ad Combad57 wrote: Here's a little more on makers vs takers. http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/ Here you go Combad:
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Buddj4		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6797 November 15, 2012 1:32 PM "I too, have never experienced a "meat raffle". I'm thinking about bringing the concept to Texas."	WestCoastBadger wrote: freddy4play wrote: My girlfriend came from one of the 10 poorest countries in the world. She is a permanent resident unable to vote. She is 30 years old, dirt poor for the most part due to starting out with literally nothing when she arrived in America 12 years ago. She is now going to UW to be a nurse. She is the quintessential person Romney is talking about. Poor, single, female, college student, with no steady health care until this month. She is unable to vote yet, but we talk politics quite a bit. I can guarantee that those are not the issues she was worried about. She is trying her hardest to not take out student loans, even putting tuition on her credit card. (Not a bad idea either if you are smart about how you handle it.) Too pigeonhole voters like her as freeloaders is insulting as can be coming from someone who has not struggled a day in his life. He is so out of touch with the reality of the middle class people of America it is astounding. That is why he lost the election. He needs to look in the mirror at his weaknesses for why he lost, not blame it on "freeloaders." She should just borrow money from her parents and start a business. Maybe some App that will help remind people of other people's birthdays and other events. You keep track of the days that you DO drink? Monsignor If you're drinking because your life is awesome, then you're doing the right thing. TheHeb
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breadtree		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1811 November 15, 2012 7:28 PM	Guys, guys, guys, you've completely missed the point. Everyone knows that college is an unalloyed evil and must be discouraged at all costs. Did you forget all about what we learned last spring?
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Myles Long		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15789 November 15, 2012 7:55 PM	yanked wrote: TheMonsignor wrote: How so? Largely because of huge military installations. You can argue that military expenditures are more appropriate for the federal government, but now you are just arguing about what sort of "subsidy" you want to give people. I'd argue there is not much difference, in terms of makers v. takers, between a bloated war machine and a bloated food stamp program. Wow, that would be a stupid argument. At least I get to enjoy the Blue Angels....and watch us blow up shit on TV every now and again. My food stamps benefits include watching to see who gets gunned down every night. I have 3 kids in school between 3rd and 11th grade. For the classmates on gov't bennies, you can follow the lack of improvement through each grade, the faces and stories don't change. Food stamps, public housing, public health, etc aren't changing a fucking thing for kids at the bottom. Oppressed parent leads to oppressed children. Sure, we can get them some nicer shit but few, if any, are capable ever leaving the bottom. Its not an "investment" so much as it is hush money. Reading Yanked attempting to take on the Monsignor is like watching Baghdad Bob tell us all is well. The actual results on the field of play are about the same. It is like watching the Badgers take on Plattville in football. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.' President Muffley --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Badger Sports Photos Older Tailgate/Bowl Trip Photos
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yanked		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17430 November 15, 2012 10:24 PM	Myles Long wrote: yanked wrote: TheMonsignor wrote: How so? Largely because of huge military installations. You can argue that military expenditures are more appropriate for the federal government, but now you are just arguing about what sort of "subsidy" you want to give people. I'd argue there is not much difference, in terms of makers v. takers, between a bloated war machine and a bloated food stamp program. Wow, that would be a stupid argument. At least I get to enjoy the Blue Angels....and watch us blow up shit on TV every now and again. My food stamps benefits include watching to see who gets gunned down every night. I have 3 kids in school between 3rd and 11th grade. For the classmates on gov't bennies, you can follow the lack of improvement through each grade, the faces and stories don't change. Food stamps, public housing, public health, etc aren't changing a fucking thing for kids at the bottom. Oppressed parent leads to oppressed children. Sure, we can get them some nicer shit but few, if any, are capable ever leaving the bottom. Its not an "investment" so much as it is hush money. Reading Yanked attempting to take on the Monsignor is like watching Baghdad Bob tell us all is well. The actual results on the field of play are about the same. It is like watching the Badgers take on Plattville in football. Christmas card list: CPA Mom In-Laws Siblings ~~Myles~~ Aunts Uncles As I suspected, progressives have a Koch Fetish.
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CVBucky		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 787 November 16, 2012 9:22 AM	Remove this ad yanked wrote: Myles Long wrote: yanked wrote: Wow, that would be a stupid argument. At least I get to enjoy the Blue Angels....and watch us blow up shit on TV every now and again. My food stamps benefits include watching to see who gets gunned down every night. I have 3 kids in school between 3rd and 11th grade. For the classmates on gov't bennies, you can follow the lack of improvement through each grade, the faces and stories don't change. Food stamps, public housing, public health, etc aren't changing a fucking thing for kids at the bottom. Oppressed parent leads to oppressed children. Sure, we can get them some nicer shit but few, if any, are capable ever leaving the bottom. Its not an "investment" so much as it is hush money. Reading Yanked attempting to take on the Monsignor is like watching Baghdad Bob tell us all is well. The actual results on the field of play are about the same. It is like watching the Badgers take on Plattville in football. Christmas card list: CPA Mom In-Laws Siblings ~~Myles~~ Aunts Uncles Shouldn't you cross Mom out as well? Isn't she still suckling at the public teat?
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