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Mr. Potrykus Weighs in on Coaching Search

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winbadgers		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 715 December 12, 2012 10:31 AM	Remove this ad The more I read about Tucker the more I like him. He is on my "short list" right now.
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DCBadger7		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10457 December 12, 2012 10:31 AM Blissfully Disinterested	In addition to the realities of the Dec. 19 application deadline, one must also consider the HC target might have contractual limitations/incentives at their current job that necessitate a slight delay in any announcement. Bonuses or penalties for staying/leaving before or after certain dates/milestones could easily result in a formal announcement being made later than us fans would like. It sucks, but it's the reality fo the world we live in.
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winbadgers		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 715 December 12, 2012 10:35 AM	DCBadger7 wrote: In addition to the realities of the Dec. 19 application deadline, one must also consider the HC target might have contractual limitations/incentives at their current job that necessitate a slight delay in any announcement. Bonuses or penalties for staying/leaving before or after certain dates/milestones could easily result in a formal announcement being made later than us fans would like. It sucks, but it's the reality fo the world we live in. As long as Barry gets the right guy I don't care when I find out.
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MarkIt8		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1578 December 12, 2012 10:36 AM Jobu needs a refill	NumenLumen wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. This is in line with my thought on timing, as well. A level of due diligence has to be evident (ie time passing) to show that the work was doe to prove he's the "right guy", however, I think we're at or nearing that point. Basically, if the guy is a current college assistant, I see no reason why an announcement isn't imminent or close to it. If the guy is a current college head coach, I completely see Alvarez waiting until after said coach's bowl game, while keeping recruits informed on the QT. If the guy is an NFL assistant, there's a logical spot in couple of weeks, perhaps not after the regular season entirely, but not with 3 games to go. If the guy is Belichick, we may have to wait until after the Super Bowl. I don't think the recruits would be informed. Current assistant coaches - maybe - but if you told a dozen recruits the news would be all over twitter in about an hour.
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bruco		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 705 December 12, 2012 10:40 AM	potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. Who is going to complain? Is some "applicant" going to sue? Do other schools deal with this garbage? I mean can't there be some common sense injected here or does it have to be by the book like they are hiring a new shift boss at the DMV. Edited 1 time by bruco December 12, 2012 10:52 AM.
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NumenLumen		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10423 December 12, 2012 10:44 AM Shout, shout - let it all out. These are the things I can do without.	bruco wrote: potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. Who is going to complain? Is some "applicant" going to sue? Do other schools deal with this garbage? I mean can't their be some common sense injected here or does it have to be by the book like they are hiring a new shift boss at the DMV. Common sense. Institution of higher education. These things do not always line up. Alvarez is very adept at knowing when and when not to prod the pointy-heads and bureaucrats that are his colleagues at the university. If he feels he can comply with their restrictions without significant damage to the program, he will do it.
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royberto		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 549 December 12, 2012 10:55 AM	bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. Becuase it's not Rudolph.
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bruco		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 705 December 12, 2012 10:56 AM	NumenLumen wrote: bruco wrote: potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. Who is going to complain? Is some "applicant" going to sue? Do other schools deal with this garbage? I mean can't their be some common sense injected here or does it have to be by the book like they are hiring a new shift boss at the DMV. Common sense. Institution of higher education. These things do not always line up. Alvarez is very adept at knowing when and when not to prod the pointy-heads and bureaucrats that are his colleagues at the university. If he feels he can comply with their restrictions without significant damage to the program, he will do it. Good point. I'll be real curious to see what happens with the assistants over the next week. If its Rudolph, I would expect limited additional movement as I have a hard time seeing a guy like him having a whole new staff to bring in. Then again, it could be they just love working with BB and/or are going to get a huge bump in pay that BA has already told them won't be matched.
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bruco		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 705 December 12, 2012 10:56 AM	royberto wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. Becuase it's not Rudolph. I hope you are right.
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Cdiddy34		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4413 December 12, 2012 10:59 AM just starting to think about having a doner.	Remove this ad i don't think it's rudolph. i think it's somebody that may or may not have been scared off from his original interview date by a certain leak revealed in a newspaper by a certain message board poster.
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4thngoal		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6152 December 12, 2012 11:11 AM Denis Lemieux	potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. I didn't read your article. Is the term raging shitstorm referenced in the article? If so, kudos to you for accurately portraying the situation. <<She kind of looks like Vern Lundquist with a wig on.>> >>Herschey 11-13-12
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ssbadger		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1962 December 12, 2012 11:15 AM	BigAppleBucky wrote: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=336&f=2247&t=11047269 So, how did Pete's interview go? I think we finally found a fan base that's more insecure than Marquette. Who can blame them? With it looking like they will be on the outside looking in after conference realignment to the "big 5", there program will soon slide further into irrelevance. "If this isn't nice, I don't know what is." Kurt Vonnegut
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potrykus		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1612 December 12, 2012 11:18 AM "I suppose I could go by any of the many names bestowed to me by one Drew Olson, a former co-worker/housemate: paprika, trapezius, trap, terradactyl, trapezoid, perestroika or papadapolis..."	4thngoal wrote: potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. I didn't read your article. Is the term raging shitstorm referenced in the article? If so, kudos to you for accurately portraying the situation. Even though it is the blog I thought raging shitstorm might creep up to and perhaps even cross a line drawn by my bosses. But I did try to convey the point -- along with others -- that the AD will make sure all eyes know he has conducted a meticulous search, by the numbers, by the book, by the letter of the law, etc.
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Ody		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3090 December 12, 2012 11:19 AM	NumenLumen wrote: This is in line with my thought on timing, as well. A level of due diligence has to be evident (ie time passing) to show that the work was doe to prove he's the "right guy", however, I think we're at or nearing that point. Basically, if the guy is a current college assistant, I see no reason why an announcement isn't imminent or close to it. If the guy is a current college head coach, I completely see Alvarez waiting until after said coach's bowl game, while keeping recruits informed on the QT. If the guy is an NFL assistant, there's a logical spot in couple of weeks, perhaps not after the regular season entirely, but not with 3 games to go. If the guy is Belichick, we may have to wait until after the Super Bowl. I like the points. The problem with the highlighted point is it's impossible to inform recruits and get them to keep it quiet. Their brains don't operate like human brains. They'd tell just one person who would tell just one person and soon, everybody would know. "The best thing you can do is act like a man and don't beg and plead and embarrass yourself."
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RabbiBucky		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1898 December 12, 2012 11:22 AM	Has Gruden been ruled out?
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DCBadger7		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10457 December 12, 2012 11:25 AM Blissfully Disinterested	bruco wrote: royberto wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. Becuase it's not Rudolph. I hope you are right. If it is Rudolph, he is still coaching and helping Pitt prepare for a bowl game. It would be incredibly hypocritical for Barry to ask Bret's assistnats to stay through the Rose Bowl but not provide the same courtesy to Rudolph. The above assumes a premise that Rudolph is the choice - which he may very well not be.
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RedHawk		#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7 December 12, 2012 11:31 AM	If this staff stays together by not taking any lateral coaching jobs, then this Hunch is more real then we think. This is a very tight lipped athletic departement, they could easily hold a secret or two if need be.
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IABUCKY		#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 822 December 12, 2012 11:32 AM	KegStand81 wrote: NumenLumen wrote: If the guy is a current college head coach, I completely see Alvarez waiting until after said coach's bowl game, while keeping recruits informed on the QT. I don't see that happening in this day and age..... Would BA also keep the assistants informed?
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blockski		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9540 December 12, 2012 11:34 AM	DCBadger7 wrote: bruco wrote: royberto wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. Becuase it's not Rudolph. I hope you are right. If it is Rudolph, he is still coaching and helping Pitt prepare for a bowl game. It would be incredibly hypocritical for Barry to ask Bret's assistnats to stay through the Rose Bowl but not provide the same courtesy to Rudolph. The above assumes a premise that Rudolph is the choice - which he may very well not be. I don't think that's a reason. You can announce him as the coach and note that he won't start his official duties until after the bowls. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is if a HC leaves (like BB did), then they rarely coach in a bowl game. Assistants might take a new job before the bowl game starts, but they almost always stick around to coach in that bowl game. Such is the nature of the transition process. If Barry hires Rudolph, I a) expect it to be announced in advance of both teams' bowl games, and b) I expect Rudolph to stay with Pitt through their game. If Barry hires someone like Mel Tucker, I expect him to stay through the end of the NFL season (just as Bill O'Brien did when he took the PSU job).
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DCBadger7		#40	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10457 December 12, 2012 11:56 AM Blissfully Disinterested	Remove this ad blockski wrote: I don't think that's a reason. You can announce him as the coach and note that he won't start his official duties until after the bowls. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is if a HC leaves (like BB did), then they rarely coach in a bowl game. Assistants might take a new job before the bowl game starts, but they almost always stick around to coach in that bowl game. Such is the nature of the transition process. If Barry hires Rudolph, I a) expect it to be announced in advance of both teams' bowl games, and b) I expect Rudolph to stay with Pitt through their game. If Barry hires someone like Mel Tucker, I expect him to stay through the end of the NFL season (just as Bill O'Brien did when he took the PSU job). I don't think it's practical to announce a current assistant at one school as the head coach at another and then have the guy remain with his current team. Serving two masters is hard enough, but it seems to me it is especially difficult when a guy is becoming a head coach. Nevertheless, it isn't hard at all to conjure up a circumstance where Rudolph asks Barry to delay the announcement so he can fulfill a commitment he made to Chryst. Since it's Chryst, it's not hard to see how Barry would be inclined to accede to the request, particularly since Barry is coaching the Rose Bowl so there's not an immediate, 'has to be done today!!' need involved.
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So, how did Pete's interview go?