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Mr. Potrykus Weighs in on Coaching Search

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The Ghost of Larry Horse		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2732 December 12, 2012 12:03 PM	Remove this ad DCBadger7 wrote: blockski wrote: I don't think that's a reason. You can announce him as the coach and note that he won't start his official duties until after the bowls. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is if a HC leaves (like BB did), then they rarely coach in a bowl game. Assistants might take a new job before the bowl game starts, but they almost always stick around to coach in that bowl game. Such is the nature of the transition process. If Barry hires Rudolph, I a) expect it to be announced in advance of both teams' bowl games, and b) I expect Rudolph to stay with Pitt through their game. If Barry hires someone like Mel Tucker, I expect him to stay through the end of the NFL season (just as Bill O'Brien did when he took the PSU job). I don't think it's practical to announce a current assistant at one school as the head coach at another and then have the guy remain with his current team. Serving two masters is hard enough, but it seems to me it is especially difficult when a guy is becoming a head coach. Chyrst and Doeren both did this. I thought it worked out fine.
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Philip der Stein		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2001 December 12, 2012 12:06 PM	Is TGP suggesting that Barry might be Barry's guy? I know that Potreek offers a hunch that there is a done deal and "both sides" are waiting for the right time to announce, which implies that Barry is dealing with an outside hire who has other obligations to finish up, but... That reaffirmed a hunch I’ve had for almost a week: Alvarez identified his No. 1 target while sitting in his hotel room in New York City last week. Maybe Barry identified that target in the mirror over the dresser in that hotel room? When asked last week what might happen if he couldn’t get his guy to run the program, Alvarez said without hesitation that he would get his guy. Barry won't say no to Barry. Alvarez is going to make sure everyone at UW – within the athletic department and on Bascom Hill – knows he conducted a thorough search for the best candidate. That's pretty much the biggest hurdle in hiring yourself, right? Convincing the rest of the U that this is on the up and up? ...and wants to hand off the keys to his program to someone he knows intimately and trusts completely. Um, that would be himself? Despite some of the public statements we’ve heard in the last week, I’m not willing to rule anyone out. While this may question the finality of statements that Chryst or Tucker are out... what about Barry saying "no" he won't be more than an interim coach? Could that public statement from last week be the one that comes up wrong? I really don't know if this is what he had in mind in writing this commentary, but it may fit as well as Mel Tucker or Chryst. Barry has head coaching experience. Barry knows and respects how Wisconsin does things. He just seems to fit all the criteria he has set out. Click here for the Polka America Corporation Edited 1 time by Philip der Stein December 12, 2012 12:09 PM.
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4thngoal		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6172 December 12, 2012 12:17 PM Denis Lemieux	potrykus wrote: 4thngoal wrote: I didn't read your article. Is the term raging shitstorm referenced in the article? If so, kudos to you for accurately portraying the situation. Even though it is the blog I thought raging shitstorm might creep up to and perhaps even cross a line drawn by my bosses. But I did try to convey the point -- along with others -- that the AD will make sure all eyes know he has conducted a meticulous search, by the numbers, by the book, by the letter of the law, etc. Your bosses sound like a bunch of pussies that are out of touch with their readers......... <<She kind of looks like Vern Lundquist with a wig on.>> >>Herschey 11-13-12
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blockski		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9564 December 12, 2012 12:17 PM	DCBadger7 wrote: I don't think it's practical to announce a current assistant at one school as the head coach at another and then have the guy remain with his current team. Serving two masters is hard enough, but it seems to me it is especially difficult when a guy is becoming a head coach. Nevertheless, it isn't hard at all to conjure up a circumstance where Rudolph asks Barry to delay the announcement so he can fulfill a commitment he made to Chryst. Since it's Chryst, it's not hard to see how Barry would be inclined to accede to the request, particularly since Barry is coaching the Rose Bowl so there's not an immediate, 'has to be done today!!' need involved. I think it's practical because it happens all the time. College football's schedule, of course, makes no sense. For all intents and purposes, the offseason began a few weeks ago - yet we still have games to play. But, it is what it is. Paul Chryst was hired by Pitt on Dec 22, he coached for us in the Rose Bowl. Dave Doeren was hired by NIU on (or about) December 13, and he coached for us in the Rose Bowl. Kevin Wilson was hired at Indiana on Dec 7, and stayed on at OU for their bowl game. When assistants become head coaches, the assistants finish their original job. If all assistants left as soon as they lined up a new job, there wouldn't be anyone left to coach bowl teams - or you'd have bowl teams coached by entirely new staffs from what they had during the regular season. Now that is not practical. Conversely, BB is hired by Arkansas, will not coach UW in their bowl game. Dave Doeren was hired by NCSU, and will not coach NIU in their bowl game. When a HC takes a new HC job, they rarely stay for the bowl game.
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Chitown Badger		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 722 December 12, 2012 12:23 PM	I kind of agree with blockski here. Just about every other coaching opening in the country is getting filled, but we're not making any announcements because the guy might be preparing for a bowl game or have contractual obligations? Doesn't seem to be the case for everyone else.
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dewey35		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1500 December 12, 2012 12:25 PM	If it's Rudolph it would be absolutely ridiculous to let him stick around for the BBVA Compass Bowl on January 5. I could see it if it was a BCS bowl to cap off a special season and he's been there awhile like Chryst, Doeren and Wilson but letting stay at Pitt for lower level bowl after he's ben there less than a year makes no sense
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Portage Plumber		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2754 December 12, 2012 12:31 PM	dewey35 wrote: If it's Rudolph it would be absolutely ridiculous to let him stick around for the BBVA Compass Bowl on January 5. I could see it if it was a BCS bowl to cap off a special season and he's been there awhile like Chryst, Doeren and Wilson but letting stay at Pitt for lower level bowl after he's ben there less than a year makes no sense The quite period for recruiting starts soon-- so you dont miss much recruiting wise. The new HC can still work on assembling a staff while at Pitt or wherever. key to holding UW's class together is keeping Partridge-- if he goes, there may be a max exodus of recruits.
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Randall Station		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 609 December 12, 2012 12:40 PM	TGP - you probably won't answer this, but if you had to tak a WAG as to who Barry's guy is, who would you say?
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Ody		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3095 December 12, 2012 12:50 PM	Chitown Badger wrote: I kind of agree with blockski here. Just about every other coaching opening in the country is getting filled, but we're not making any announcements because the guy might be preparing for a bowl game or have contractual obligations? Doesn't seem to be the case for everyone else. Like was said earlier in the thread, applications are open until the 19th. We won't hear anything before then, contractual obligations or no. "The best thing you can do is act like a man and don't beg and plead and embarrass yourself."
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LakeFlambeau		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 468 December 12, 2012 1:29 PM	Remove this ad Portage Plumber wrote: dewey35 wrote: If it's Rudolph it would be absolutely ridiculous to let him stick around for the BBVA Compass Bowl on January 5. I could see it if it was a BCS bowl to cap off a special season and he's been there awhile like Chryst, Doeren and Wilson but letting stay at Pitt for lower level bowl after he's ben there less than a year makes no sense *The quiet period for recruiting starts soon-- so you dont miss much recruiting wise.* The new HC can still work on assembling a staff while at Pitt or wherever. key to holding UW's class together is keeping Partridge-- if he goes, there may be a max exodus of recruits. *The quiet period for recruiting starts soon-- so you dont miss much recruiting wise.* You need your head coach so he can pull off those "Bumping into Recruits moments" Worked for O$U.
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DCBadger7		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10473 December 12, 2012 1:39 PM Blissfully Disinterested	Chitown Badger wrote: I kind of agree with blockski here. Just about every other coaching opening in the country is getting filled, but we're not making any announcements because the guy might be preparing for a bowl game or have contractual obligations? Doesn't seem to be the case for everyone else. I wasn't trying to suggest there was NO reason to make an announcement immediately. My point is there are legitimate reasons for why a current assistant somewhere might want his hiring announcement to be delayed...either for a short while or a few weeks. We don't know all the facts, so this is just idle speculation. As I said, IF (note big IF) Rudolph is the guy, it's not inconceivable that it might be necessary to delay an announcement a bit beyond the Dec. 19 application deadline. The biggest limitation on making an announcement in the UW's case is the application deadline - can't make a hiring announcement while the application period is open.
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blockski		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9564 December 12, 2012 1:45 PM	DCBadger7 wrote: Chitown Badger wrote: I kind of agree with blockski here. Just about every other coaching opening in the country is getting filled, but we're not making any announcements because the guy might be preparing for a bowl game or have contractual obligations? Doesn't seem to be the case for everyone else. I wasn't trying to suggest there was NO reason to make an announcement immediately. My point is there are legitimate reasons for why a current assistant somewhere might want his hiring announcement to be delayed...either for a short while or a few weeks. We don't know all the facts, so this is just idle speculation. As I said, IF (note big IF) Rudolph is the guy, it's not inconceivable that it might be necessary to delay an announcement a bit beyond the Dec. 19 application deadline. The biggest limitation on making an announcement in the UW's case is the application deadline - can't make a hiring announcement while the application period is open. Delay until after the Dec 19 deadline? Yes, that makes sense. Delay until after the bowl game? For the purposes of hiring a guy who's currently an assistant coach (whether that's Rudolph or Diaco or even Mel Tucker)? No, I don't think that makes sense.
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BadgerGrove		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 December 12, 2012 1:47 PM	Assistants have been known to accept positions and turn around and take another one at a different school rather quickly. Faulkner did that for us this past year. Alexander the year before jumped from Purdue to Wisconsin. The current coaches can accept new positions but as long as they are still in Madison we have a reasonable chance of convincing them to stay as long as the money is right and they can work for the new coach.
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Dirte		#54	[url]	[-]
Posts: 985 December 12, 2012 1:48 PM	I say he tries hard for Tucker but, in the end, doesn't get him. Then, he has a major dilemma. If enough of the current UW assistants stay, BA takes it over for at least a year (and pays himself well for it). However, if a bunch of these guys leave in the next week or so he has to go off of his short list. I would think BA, being the standup guy that he is, wouldn't try and take Rudolph from PC.
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Chitown Badger		#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 722 December 12, 2012 2:02 PM	Dirte wrote: I say he tries hard for Tucker but, in the end, doesn't get him. Then, he has a major dilemma. If enough of the current UW assistants stay, BA takes it over for at least a year (and pays himself well for it). However, if a bunch of these guys leave in the next week or so he has to go off of his short list. I would think BA, being the standup guy that he is, wouldn't try and take Rudolph from PC. BA taking over for a year would be a bad idea. Would probably destroy our recruiting since they would all know there's uncertainty in terms of who they would be playing for. And we seriously think that some state application deadline is what may be delaying an announcement? Isn't that just some state technicality? If so just change the deadline and make the announcement. I hardly think the guy we end up with is sending an email and attaching a resume. In the meantime, while we wait, we may continue to bleed coaches and lose recruits. I hardly think that's worth it. Do other schools do this?
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DCBadger7		#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10473 December 12, 2012 2:04 PM Blissfully Disinterested	blockski wrote: DCBadger7 wrote: Chitown Badger wrote: I kind of agree with blockski here. Just about every other coaching opening in the country is getting filled, but we're not making any announcements because the guy might be preparing for a bowl game or have contractual obligations? Doesn't seem to be the case for everyone else. I wasn't trying to suggest there was NO reason to make an announcement immediately. My point is there are legitimate reasons for why a current assistant somewhere might want his hiring announcement to be delayed...either for a short while or a few weeks. We don't know all the facts, so this is just idle speculation. As I said, IF (note big IF) Rudolph is the guy, it's not inconceivable that it might be necessary to delay an announcement a bit beyond the Dec. 19 application deadline. The biggest limitation on making an announcement in the UW's case is the application deadline - can't make a hiring announcement while the application period is open. Delay until after the Dec 19 deadline? Yes, that makes sense. Delay until after the bowl game? For the purposes of hiring a guy who's currently an assistant coach (whether that's Rudolph or Diaco or even Mel Tucker)? No, I don't think that makes sense. You're talking extremes - jumping right after the application or after a bowl game. There maybe other milestones we don't know about...maybe an assistant needs to help prepare the gameplan and can't leave until that's done. Maybe the HC wants the assistant to stay until a replacement is locked down and the assistant feels he owes his old boss since he's leaving him in the lurch. Maybe the coach gets a bonus for coaching the bowl and the guy simply needs the money to finance the relocation. Who knows? Point is there are a multitude of hypothetical reasons for why an assistant coach may not be immediately available at the first possible moment. We don't have to know what they are to just accept that there may be extentuating circumstances that impact when a newly hired coach can be available to his new employer. And with Barry, if it helped him land his guy, it's not hard to think Barry would be somewhat flexible, especially since he's captaining the ship for the timebeing.
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wettle		#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2174 December 12, 2012 2:21 PM	4thngoal wrote: potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. I didn't read your article. Is the term raging shitstorm referenced in the article? If so, kudos to you for accurately portraying the situation. I haven't witnessed one of these "raging shitstorms" yet in my 52 years on earth......I'm actually hoping I get to see one....from inside my house of course! I'm gonna start watching the Weather Channel A LOT more, starting right now! "NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH MORE EARS THAN TEETH!"
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yfinn6		#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1933 December 12, 2012 2:24 PM I have sources	UW could be in the eye of a shiticane..
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Shot of Wiskie		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4052 December 12, 2012 2:26 PM "I now read the Declaration every Fourth of July. It is the most stunning, eloquent, "Fuck You" in the history of the written word."	wettle wrote: 4thngoal wrote: potrykus wrote: PassTheDutchie wrote: bruco wrote: If its Rudolph, why would there need to be a "right time" to complete the courting process? Just hire him and be done with it. The quicker you hire a guy like that, the less it looks like he was a back-up plan. I think TGP alluded to this in his article, but here it goes: Barry needs to make things copacetic with the larger powers at be within the University. I.E., create the illusion of a formal (bureaucratic) search. Last date for applications to be accepted is Dec. 19...though anyone can apply after IF position has not been filled. Unless he is interested in causing a raging shitstorm you won't hear any official announcement before the 19th. I didn't read your article. Is the term raging shitstorm referenced in the article? If so, kudos to you for accurately portraying the situation. I haven't witnessed one of these "raging shitstorms" yet in my 52 years on earth......I'm actually hoping I get to see one....from inside my house of course! I'm gonna start watching the Weather Channel A LOT more, starting right now! Shitstorms were based loosely on predictions in the Book of Revelations. Andersen is a big-time coach. Alvarez, after two weeks of secrecy, just made a big-time hire. And now, Wisconsin is positioned to remain a big-time program for years to come. - Stewart Mandel
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KegStand81		#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5518 December 12, 2012 2:45 PM	Remove this ad yfinn6 wrote: UW could be in the eye of a shiticane.. We're sailing into a shit typhoon Finn. We'd better haul in the jib before it gets covered with shit.
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